NBA Trade Deadline 2018

[Chinook]

I'm curious as to why you mention other teams as having "star(s)" and the Spurs have a "star". Did someone forget to mention that LMA is suppose to be a star Though you wouldn't know it by his first half performance. Are the Spurs suppose to be beating the Kings at the half without Kawhi?

They should win this game, yes. No rarely do teams win every game they're supposed to win and lose every game they're supposed to lose.

[TD 21]

If it was so weak how come these other teams didn’t make it, but SA?

Because someone had to make it opposite Warriors. Rockets easily could (and should) have. Spurs pulling game 5 out of their ass and following it up by playing out of their mind the next game and a half led to the apologists and casuals thinking they were better than they were.

That team was fools gold just like the previous 2 iterations were and this one is. You can't win a championship in this league anymore without an explosive offense. That entails multiple perimeter stars (at least one super), that can breakdown the defense and create for others, pace and space.

Way to evade my question.

Please outline your plan on what SA could have done to accomplish what you say within the realm of reality.

They likely could have signed Evans for less than half of what Gay got. Believe Collison was another alternative, if they let Mills walk and didn't sign Gay.

Even if they didn't upgrade the back court, they still could have given Gasol a more appropriate contract and let Mills walk.

[MaNu4Tres]

Because someone had to make it opposite Warriors. Rockets easily could (and should) have. Spurs pulling game 5 out of their ass and following it up by playing out of their mind the next game and a half led to the apologists and casuals thinking they were better than they were.

That team was fools gold just like the previous 2 iterations were and this one is. You can't win a championship in this league anymore without an explosive offense. That entails multiple perimeter stars (at least one super), that can breakdown the defense and create for others, pace and space.

Way to evade my question.

They likely could have signed Evans for less than half of what Gay got. Believe Collison was another alternative, if they let Mills walk and didn't sign Gay.

Even if they didn't upgrade the back court, they still could have given Gasol a more appropriate contract and let Mills walk.

Yeah the Mills deal was ridiculous.

It wasn't even 2 months into the 4 year deal when he was expendable.

[TD 21]

Yeah the Mills deal was ridiculous.

It wasn't even 2 months into the 4 year deal when he was expendable.

That and just a total misread of the market. That and the Felicio one were prime examples of deals agreed to in principal beforehand by 2 teams that clearly didn't see the changing landscape coming.

I repeatedly alluded to it, saying throughout the season that the likes of Mills and Hill weren't getting the numbers often bandied about. Most over saturated position + market correction from the previous 2 summers and cap space drying up.

[Hoops Czar]

Even if they didn't upgrade the back court, they still could have given Gasol a more appropriate contract and let Mills walk.

While this is true in theory, it was an impossibility. Pau and the Spurs had a wink, wink deal in place to get him to opt out of his contract. The loyalty factor made it impossible for him to make less than for what he opted out for and the Patfo always has to put the cherry on top of the hot fudge sundae by guaranteeing him an extra 1-2 years.

[TD 21]

While this is true in theory, it was an impossibility. Pau and the Spurs had a wink, wink deal in place to get him to opt out of his contract. The loyalty factor made it impossible for him to make less than for what he opted out for and the Patfo always have to put the cherry on top of the hot fudge sundae by guaranteeing him an extra 1-2 years.

I know, but they gave Gasol too much leverage. If that was going to be what it took if they missed on Paul, they should have tried to trade him into Timberwolves' cap space before they signed Gibson. They were interested the prior off season.

[ace3g]

10 days till the Trade Deadline

[MaNu4Tres]

Just trying to understand Kawhis view if his number 1 goal is to win les.

If Kawhi signs super max this summer, that would mean LA & Kawhi would account for 60-65 million of the cap. Which means, 30% of remaining salary is going to Mills, and are they going to give Tony another deal? Do they really care about winning les or just taking care of family?

If I was Kawhi I'd be worried about the Patty deal & upcoming TP free agency.

Spurs need to shed as much redundancy and maximize financial flexibility til the right move comes along, and if you whiff, just use the space to take on a large 1 year deal from a team flirting with cap or lux apron -- get a pick tied to taking on salary for a year then try in FA again following summer.

If I wanted to win les, I'd be worried moving forward with an Aldridge, Patty, Pau, TP core making most of the money.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It would be sad if Spurs keep standing pat.

Would you give this year's first round pick to increase their ceiling from 1st round fodder to 2nd round fodder or similar?

[SAGirl]

Would you give this year's first round pick to increase their ceiling from 1st round fodder to 2nd round fodder or similar?

Not about this season but about the future for me.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not about this season but about the future for me.

Not sure I understood. So you're not giving up the pick and would prefer the Spurs to stand pat, or you'd send it for a half a year rental like Evans or someone of that ilk?

I'd prefer them to keep the pick and to not do something crazy. There's no one they can realistically acquire that would make a difference this season ( and no, Kemba isn't coming for a late pick ).

[SAGirl]

Not sure I understood. So you're not giving up the pick and would prefer the Spurs to stand pat, or you'd send it for a half a year rental like Evans or someone of that ilk?

I wouldn’t make a move for a player that was going to be here just half a season. I would be willing to make a move for someone that helps out now and long term, which is why I liked Irving and although a lesser star, Kemba. I wouldn’t give up a pick for Tyreke... unless the Spurs has stashing in mind... (which only they would know) I don’t value stashing as much as I used to.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I wouldn’t make a move for a player that was going to be here just half a season. I would be willing to make a move for someone that helps out now and long term, which is why I liked Irving and although a lesser star, Kemba. I wouldn’t give up a pick for Tyreke... unless the Spurs has stashing in mind... (which only they would know) I don’t value stashing as much as I used to.

I agree, but that pick isn't worth a Kemba or anyone like that. They might need it to dump a contract in the summer. I'd rather they keep it and stand pat.

[szkorhetz]

Deadly 6th man.

I would actually take him as our starting PG, TBH.

[SAGirl]

I agree, but that pick isn't worth a Kemba or anyone like that. They might need it to dump a contract in the summer. I'd rather they keep it and stand pat.

That’s reasonable. we shall see if Pop is reasonable and uses it for something effective (not stashing)...
I do have a feeling they need to make changes and whether they happen now or in the summer don’t matter to me.

[sasaint]

That’s reasonable. we shall see if Pop is reasonable and uses it for something effective (not stashing)...
I do have a feeling they need to make changes and whether they happen now or in the summer don’t matter to me.

Yep. This is The Lost Season, so I would just as soon do what Pop is currently doing. See if there are any real keepers among the young guys, see if Dijon will develop and save any moves until the season ends.

[r0drig0lac]

I would actually take him as our starting PG, TBH.

[ElNono]

Just trying to understand Kawhis view if his number 1 goal is to win les.

If Kawhi signs super max this summer, that would mean LA & Kawhi would account for 60-65 million of the cap. Which means, 30% of remaining salary is going to Mills, and are they going to give Tony another deal? Do they really care about winning les or just taking care of family?

If I was Kawhi I'd be worried about the Patty deal & upcoming TP free agency.

Spurs need to shed as much redundancy and maximize financial flexibility til the right move comes along, and if you whiff, just use the space to take on a large 1 year deal from a team flirting with cap or lux apron -- get a pick tied to taking on salary for a year then try in FA again following summer.

If I wanted to win les, I'd be worried moving forward with an Aldridge, Patty, Pau, TP core making most of the money.

They're going to try to lowball Kawhi, tell him that if he wants to win he needs to take less than the supermax... watch.

[Snaq O'Meal]

They're going to try to lowball Kawhi, tell him that if he wants to win he needs to take less than the supermax... watch.

Kawhi will not buy into that . He already saw how PATFO squandered money on fat hobbits.

[NASpurs]

They're going to try to lowball Kawhi, tell him that if he wants to win he needs to take less than the supermax... watch.

If that's true and let's say he'll sign for less... I wonder if Kawhi will have demands concerning the roster (if the stories are true that he doesn't like the roster and the way the team is trending).

[SAGirl]

They're going to try to lowball Kawhi, tell him that if he wants to win he needs to take less than the supermax... watch.

I'd tell them to get rid of Patty or someone else.. Kiwi needs to get healthy though.

[Chinook]

I agree, but that pick isn't worth a Kemba or anyone like that. They might need it to dump a contract in the summer. I'd rather they keep it and stand pat.

There's the middle ground of getting a young player on a cheap contract with the pick in a trade rather than using it in the draft. That would be the motivation behind trading for Skal or Zizic (as part of a three-team trade where the other team wanted a pick instead of Zizic). I'd honestly prefer that they go ahead and get a young big if one is available rather than waiting until draft night and potentially picking another guard because they are BPA.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs just need to call Boston and get Brown & Tatum & a pick and be done with it.

Tatum, Brown, Murray, White, Spurs 18' 1st ,and Memphis 19' 1st pick all growing together singing Koombaya.

[Chinook]

^Looks like someone finally snapped.

[MaNu4Tres]

^Looks like someone finally snapped.

Then trade LaMarcus to Portland or Utah for two 1sts, prospect and filler.