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    Clippers not getting one of Stanley johnson or Luke Kennard in this deal in mind boggling ..


    This is a classic teardown for a rebuild; you need every young prospect your can grab..

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    BG is not a top 10 player.

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    Maybe PG joins him ? If it happens of course. I just can't see LeBron leaving the Leastern conference but who knows. Maybe at this point in his career he's cool with a big change
    PG either goes to the Lakers or stays in OKC (starting to think the latter now that he was selected to go to the ASG and is still putting up nice numbers on a team on the rise). Clippers are kicking the can down the road with this move, banking on the chance of signing Kawhi/AD.

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    BG is not a top 10 player.
    When healthy he absolutely is. The health issues are a concern, however.

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    I guess they're completely blowing it up.

    https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958125384717033472

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    Trade Danny, his snake, and a lifetime supply of rats for Lou Will

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    When healthy he absolutely is. The health issues are a concern, however.
    Nope. Assuming all these players are healthy, he's behind:

    Lebron
    Curry
    KD
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Leonard
    Davis
    Boogie
    Giannis
    Kyrie

    And there are more I could put on the list. , you make me choose between LMA and Blake and I'm taking LMA (although you ask me this 4 months ago and I take BG)

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    BG is not a top 10 player.
    right right

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    - Griffin's injuries / breaking down, fresh 5 year max contract and subtle signs of slippage obviously depressed his value some . . . wouldn't go crazy thinking Spurs can get Walker for anything less than what I've repeatedly said though.

    - Not a chance James would have considered Clippers with or without Griffin.

    - Griffin's definitely not a top 10 player anymore. In some order, the top 9 are: James, Durant, Leonard, Curry, Davis, Antetokounmpo, Harden, Westbrook, Paul. Cousins' torn Achilles takes him out of running for 10, leaving Irving, Butler, Towns.

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    Nope. Assuming all these players are healthy, he's behind:

    Lebron
    Curry
    KD
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Leonard
    Davis
    Boogie
    Giannis
    Kyrie

    And there are more I could put on the list. , you make me choose between LMA and Blake and I'm taking LMA (although you ask me this 4 months ago and I take BG)
    LeBron
    Dominos
    Kawhi
    Curry
    Harden
    Westchimp
    Davis
    Griffin
    Antetokounmpo

    The 10th spot is up for debate since Boogie's achilles injury between him and Embiid. Kyrie Irving is somewhere right after that with PG, Butler, and Wall.

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    Who does LA keep or cut?

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    - Griffin's injuries / breaking down, fresh 5 year max contract and subtle signs of slippage obviously depressed his value some . . . wouldn't go crazy thinking Spurs can get Walker for anything less than what I've repeatedly said though.

    - Not a chance James would have considered Clippers with or without Griffin.

    - Griffin's definitely not a top 10 player anymore. In some order, the top 9 are: James, Durant, Leonard, Curry, Davis, Antetokounmpo, Harden, Westbrook, Paul. Cousins' torn Achilles takes him out of running for 10, leaving Irving, Butler, Towns.
    Griffin isn't but CP0 is? Ok.

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    Griffin isn't but CP0 is? Ok.
    Easily. Paul's somehow still in his prime.

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    LeBron
    Dominos
    Kawhi
    Curry
    Harden
    Westchimp
    Davis
    Griffin
    Antetokounmpo

    The 10th spot is up for debate since Boogie's achilles injury between him and Embiid. Kyrie Irving is somewhere right after that with PG, Butler, and Wall.
    You want to remove Boogie, I just slide in Porzingus, Embiid, Simmons, Towns, or any number of players who are better than BG. If BG is top 20 then its borderline.

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    Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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    Clippers will continue to discuss contracts extensions at the right price, while engaging teams in trade talks on DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams. They'll try to do a hard thing in the NBA: Rebuild on the fly with younger players/picks, without gutting roster.


    Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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    For Clippers, three objectives with the trade were these: Stay compe ive on the floor (two starters, Harris and Bradley). Get young players/draft picks and create some payroll flexibility. Organization isn't interested in bottoming out and tanking.



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    Taking back the contracts of Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley and Boban Marjanovic now has the Clippers $629K below the luxury tax. The flexibility allows the Clippers to fill the 15th roster spot and stay below the tax. Tobias Harris has a current cap hit... espn.com/espn/now?nowId…


    Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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    Talks on the Clippers-Pistons blockbuster started six days ago, but accelerated in the past 24 hours, league sources tell ESPN. The framework of a deal had been in place since early afternoon.



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    Easily. Paul's somehow still in his prime.
    We talk about the injury concerns for Griffin but they're even worse for CP0. His knees are breaking down as I type this. At least Griffin is four years younger.

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    You want to remove Boogie, I just slide in Porzingus, Embiid, Simmons, Towns, or any number of players who are better than BG. If BG is top 20 then its borderline.
    Porzingis. I love his potential as much as anyone but he's having a bad year on a bad team. Embiid is close to being better and prolly will be next year, so I'll give you him. Simmons is a rookie and still can't shoot. Towns is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen and has seemingly plateaued as a player.

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    We talk about the injury concerns for Griffin but they're even worse for CP0. His knees are breaking down as I type this. At least Griffin is four years younger.
    That relates to trade value though, which is a different discussion. We're talking current level of play.

    Check out this little bas s advanced stats, they're literally aligned with where they've almost always been . . .

    https://www.basketball-reference.com.../paulch01.html

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    Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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    Clippers will continue to discuss contracts extensions at the right price, while engaging teams in trade talks on DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams. They'll try to do a hard thing in the NBA: Rebuild on the fly with younger players/picks, without gutting roster.


    Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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    For Clippers, three objectives with the trade were these: Stay compe ive on the floor (two starters, Harris and Bradley). Get young players/draft picks and create some payroll flexibility. Organization isn't interested in bottoming out and tanking.


    That literally makes no sense. They just became the worst team in the WC outside LA2/Memphis (who is injured as all ).

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    Blake to Detroit, that was unexpected.

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    That relates to trade value though, which is a different discussion. We're talking current level of play.

    Check out this little bas s advanced stats, they're literally aligned with where they've almost always been . . .

    https://www.basketball-reference.com.../paulch01.html
    Also need to keep in mind he plays in a system where offensive stats are massively inflated. He's still hanging around the Top 10 but I just can't put him in there due to the age factor and how PGs like him fall off a cliff suddenly.

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    That literally makes no sense. They just became the worst team in the WC outside LA2/Memphis (who is injured as all ).
    The “stay compe ive” narrative is likely just fluffer for the fans. That team is gonna be awful as all , especially if they move DJ as well. This has rebuild written all over it unless they can snatch Lebron this summer, but he is obviously about having his All Star cast around him.

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