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    Hey look, Pistons and the Clippers are going to be on TNT tomorrow right after a big trade. Every ing time.

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    Cavs could put together a compe ive team if they were willing to trade that draft pick to the Clippers. Cavs also have big contracts to pair with the asset. Perhaps there are better deals to be had but I'd go allin for that type of asset to start a rebuild.

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    Cavs could put together a compe ive team if they were willing to trade that draft pick to the Clippers. Cavs also have big contracts to pair with the asset. Perhaps there are better deals to be had but I'd go allin for that type of asset to start a rebuild.
    cleveland's in a tough spot. i mean naturally yeah you trade that pick and try to win now. but if lebron bolts and you traded that pick for deandre, you're screwed forever

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    Also need to keep in mind he plays in a system where offensive stats are massively inflated. He's still hanging around the Top 10 but I just can't put him in there due to the age factor and how PGs like him fall off a cliff suddenly.
    Counting stats can get inflated, but both his counting and advanced stats are aligned with where they've almost always been, including as recently as last season.

    Age and prior history of similar types, is irrelevant. That's basically acknowledging that he is still a top 10 player, but saying you can't place him in it because you've predetermined he shouldn't be able to be because of those things. James is obviously better, but I'm guessing you wouldn't apply that (flawed) logic to him.

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    And btw this is also Stan Van Gundy throwing a Hail Mary to save himself..He was probably getting fired from either or both GM/coach jobs if they miss the playoffs..

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    Cavs could put together a compe ive team if they were willing to trade that draft pick to the Clippers. Cavs also have big contracts to pair with the asset. Perhaps there are better deals to be had but I'd go allin for that type of asset to start a rebuild.
    I don't think the Cavs have to trade that Brooklyn pick. If the market was just set in that Detroit trade their own 1st (mid 20's) might do it.

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    all that nonsense with DeAndre and the Mavs
    he looks like a total re now

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    I don't think the Cavs have to trade that Brooklyn pick. If the market was just set in that Detroit trade their own 1st (mid 20's) might do it.
    If that's all that the Cavs offer it opens the door to many more teams. Clippers might not get expiring contracts but that should be fine considering a rebuild time frame. Wizards for example would be able to make a comparable offer.

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    Porzingis. I love his potential as much as anyone but he's having a bad year on a bad team. Embiid is close to being better and prolly will be next year, so I'll give you him. Simmons is a rookie and still can't shoot. Towns is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen and has seemingly plateaued as a player.
    https://www.basketball-reference.com...porzikr01.html

    That a bad year? What?

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...townska01.html

    At least as good as Blakes numbers and actualy stays healthy

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...simmobe01.html

    Simmons can't shoot and is still filing up the stat sheet like no one since Grant Hill.

    Overrate BG if you want, I guess.

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    Counting stats can get inflated, but both his counting and advanced stats are aligned with where they've almost always been, including as recently as last season.

    Age and prior history of similar types, is irrelevant. That's basically acknowledging that he is still a top 10 player, but saying you can't place him in it because you've predetermined he shouldn't be able to be because of those things. James is obviously better, but I'm guessing you wouldn't apply that (flawed) logic to him.
    James is the best or second best player to ever set foot on an NBA court and still should basically single handedly carries his team to the Finals this year. He's also had a lot more career success than Chris Paul so, yes, he gets more benefit of the doubt.

    Like I said, his stats are where they're at because he's playing under D'Antoni in a system favorable to PGs. Is he still a of a player? Yes. However, I wouldn't consider him a Top 10 player anymore.

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    Please someone take Anderson and Mills!

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    James is the best or second best player to ever set foot on an NBA court and still should basically single handedly carries his team to the Finals this year. He's also had a lot more career success than Chris Paul so, yes, he gets more benefit of the doubt.

    Like I said, his stats are where they're at because he's playing under D'Antoni in a system favorable to PGs. Is he still a of a player? Yes. However, I wouldn't consider him a Top 10 player anymore.
    The point wasn't that Paul is James' equal, it's that the logic is flawed.

    No, they're where they are because that's where they've almost always been.

    There's no credible argument for anyone outside of the 8 I mentioned in his tier being better than him.

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    https://www.basketball-reference.com...porzikr01.html

    That a bad year? What?

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...townska01.html

    At least as good as Blakes numbers and actualy stays healthy

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...simmobe01.html

    Simmons can't shoot and is still filing up the stat sheet like no one since Grant Hill.

    Overrate BG if you want, I guess.
    Porzingod started off strong this season but hasn't been consistent since November. Might be injury-related, but it's still a concern.

    I wouldn't even put Towns above LMA right now; he's a horrible defender and an overrated passer/post player. His game reminds me a lot of LMA on offense (which isn't a gold thing) outside the fact he shoots more threes.

    Simmons can fill up the stat sheet all he wants ala Westchimp, doesn't make him a winner. His inability to shoot has cost Philly in several games this season with his DeMonkey-esque shooting

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    Sums up my reaction at this news...

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    Do you like being racist or......?

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    Do you like being racist or......?
    Most of ST has been using those nicknames for 5+ years. I use them more for amusement than any slight towards their race.

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    all that nonsense with DeAndre and the Mavs
    he looks like a total re now

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    all that nonsense with DeAndre and the Mavs
    he looks like a total re now
    The Mavs are a mess themselves. At least DeMonkey got an extra $30mil out of it and got to be in LA.

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    Woj trying to spin this for favors with breaking news.

    LAC trying to “not bottom” out while trading away Blake, Jordan, & Lou their 3 best players. So they really think Pat Bev / Bradley / Gallo / Harris / Whatever is going to compete lol?

    I mean if you are going by the literal definition of what Woj said LAC wanted then they checked all the boxes. But the “wanting to not bottom out” is just lip service for some really dumb fans evidently.

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    Woj trying to spin this for favors with breaking news.

    LAC trying to “not bottom” out while trading away Blake, Jordan, & Lou their 3 best players. So they really think Pat Bev / Bradley / Gallo / Harris / Whatever is going to compete lol?

    I mean if you are going by the literal definition of what Woj said LAC wanted then they checked all the boxes. But the “wanting to not bottom out” is just lip service for some really dumb fans evidently.
    "We're not trying to bottom out.......cause we know we can't out-suck the Lakers and Suns."

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    The market is set now for LAC. Blake is obviously better than Jordan and under contract and he netted maybe a pick that will end up 14-20. So Jordan may net a late first.

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    Wow Blake must be absolutely thrilled he gets to pack his bags and go live in ing Detroit LOL. Awesome.

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    The argument that what TP does well is replaceable based on current personnel as much as that stands for Mills.
    Well, I think I made my argument with the post you quoted, tbh.

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