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    If we're in early 2.000's. And if that big is Tim Duncan.

    But in 2018 if the big is LMA and the wing-iso is Kawhi or KD, I have any doubt about that a wing should be the first option in today NBA.




    Spurs defense is hiding many problems. Because being 17th on offense means being a non-playoffs team.
    It's not the same offense that won 67 games last year with a fairly decent average margin of victory? The answer is no, because it's missing Kawhi. When Kawhi returns, however, the offense shouldn't flounder as much.

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    OSOB Duncan in 2013 almost won a FMVP. Prime Duncan and LMA and Kawhi easily 3peet.
    Yeah, but not by playing on the post. In 2013 most of Duncan's offense came from pick and rolls, pick and pops and cuts. In fact, I talked, in one of the first posts of the thread, about wanting Aldridge to mold his game a bit to that 2013 Duncan.

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    In the all-time rankings, CP > LA

    Right now, LA > CP

    One is a 2018 all-star, the other is not.
    chris paul has missed like 20 games ... he's still a better player than LMA

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    Are folks here really such butthurt homers that can't understand what I'm trying to say?
    No, you just keep doubling down on a stupid thread. No, LMA is not Lebron or Kevin Durant. Thanks for pointing that out.

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    No, you just keep doubling down on a stupid thread. No, LMA is not Lebron or Kevin Durant. Thanks for pointing that out.
    Acussing me of coming up with something stupid and then saying re ed like that.

    You don't have to be Lebron or Durant to play winning ball, tbh.

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    No, but you have to be Kawhi, Durant, or Lebron to be a forward capable of leading their team to the championship which is the bar you set on page one. Your bar for this thread, not mine. You defined it as championship winning ball. You can't even keep your own bull straight.

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    No, but you have to be Kawhi, Durant, or Lebron to be a forward capable of leading their team to the championship which is the bar you set on page one. Your bar for this thread, not mine. You defined it as championship winning ball. You can't even keep your own bull straight.
    See that you didn't get what I was trying to say?

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    I'm talking about championship level winning basketball. The kind of winning basketball we Spurs fans are accostumed to.
    What I'm saying is that no team will ever win a championship with Aldridge as a top option (that means getting around 30-40 touches per game). His style just doesn't match the current style needed in the NBA right now to win a championship.

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    Top option =/= "leading" option

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    Your complaint that we won't win if we have to have LMA as our highest usage guy is a pretty "no " statement. Like I said, he's not Lebron or Durant. Luckily, that's not his role on this team. You know that, yet you made this thread why? To enlighten everyone that we're not going to win if Kawhi isn't playing at MVP levels? Wow thanks.

    LMA's game is great for a team if he's playing as well as he is now. He's being post up because he has to create right now. But a jump shooting big that is able to play the PnR well is a great second option and I don't understand why you don't think that's his primary role on this team when its healthy.

    This thread is just stupid.

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    Your complaint that we won't win if we have to have LMA as our highest usage guy is a pretty "no " statement. Like I said, he's not Lebron or Durant. Luckily, that's not his role on this team. You know that, yet you made this thread why? To enlighten everyone that we're not going to win if Kawhi isn't playing at MVP levels? Wow thanks.

    LMA's game is great for a team if he's playing as well as he is now. He's being post up because he has to create right now. But a jump shooting big that is able to play the PnR well is a great second option and I don't understand why you don't think that's his primary role on this team when its healthy.

    This thread is just stupid.
    Again, not getting it.

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    Top option =/= "leading" option
    See, this is you just doubling down on stupid. Feel free to continue, but there's a reason that you're getting called out by everyone in this thread and its not because everyone else is being stupid.

    You're better than this and you know it but you jut keep doubling down. Have fun I guess.

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    LMA really needs to work with TD on being able to find the open man on the weak side when the help comes on his post ups. He almost always passes to the next closest guy which makes it much easier for the defense to set up their rotations.

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    Again, not getting it.
    K. I'm not getting it then.

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    LMA really needs to work with TD on being able to find the open man on the weak side when the help comes on his post ups. He almost always passes to the next closest guy which makes it much easier for the defense to set up their rotations.
    definitely.
    I think that is the bigger problem and reason why he has TO out of the post... he seeks to pass out of double teams but he passes are very predictable and easily picked off.

    there could be more cutting but the man is not a good passer finding guys on the move... overall.. there are things that can't be taught.

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    See, this is you just doubling down on stupid. Feel free to continue, but there's a reason that you're getting called out by everyone in this thread and its not because everyone else is being stupid.

    You're better than this and you know it but you jut keep doubling down. Have fun I guess.
    Do you want me to explain myself again? Ok, here it goes:

    Of course we're not winning without Kawhi, everybody knows that.

    And of course Aldridge isn't a number one guy on a championship team, I think everybody knows that too.

    What I'm saying is that, even with Kawhi back to being the number one option, if Aldridge keeps getting a lot of touches, and in the way that he's getting them (42% frequency of postups), which is what I think most people here want and it's also what Pop and Aldridge will try to do, the team will still not be good enough to beat the Warriors, because the post up game is the least efficient play in basketball as proven by years and years of data.

    What I want Aldridge and Pop to do is to tone it down with the inefficient post ups 18 feet from the basket and switch it up a bit more. Get more high low action, play more pick and roll, work more off the ball to find cuts that leads to easy baskets, etc.

    The problem with that is that I don't see Aldridge accepting it, he would probably go back to pouting. Pop needs to show LA a film of how Duncan played in 2013 and tell him that you can still almost win finals MVP playing that way.

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    Oh, your theory is the Spurs' offense will be exactly the same when Kawhi and Rudy come back and everyone but you wants that.

    OK.

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    IDGAF if the points come off post ups or open shots off a roll. I want LMA to play with the same efficiency he has now when Kawhi comes back. The Spurs probably don't have enough to be GS either way, but it sure as isn't on LMA if that is the case.

    No, I don't want the Spurs to repeat the same mistakes they made with LMA again. If thats your point, then this thread is worse than I thought because you've learned nothing from last year. He's not 2013 Duncan and he never will be. And that's OK.

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    Oh, your theory is the Spurs' offense will be exactly the same when Kawhi and Rudy come back and everyone but you wants that.

    OK.
    I tried to re-phrase my point in many different ways so that people can get it and I still get replays like these. And then I am the troll.

    BTW, these 10 k post to add to the other 100 k you had, Quite a life you have there ChumpDumper.

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    I tried to re-phrase my point in many different ways so that people can get it and I still get replays like these. And then I am the troll.
    It's what you said. It was a rehash of your OP plus some persecution/messiah complex.

    I can see why you want to change the subject.

    You called your shot. You declared yourself to be the only one with the answer that no one else will accept.

    I think the offense will change when Kawhi comes back. That's my hot take.

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    IDGAF if the points come off post ups or open shots off a roll. I want LMA to play with the same efficiency he has now when Kawhi comes back. The Spurs probably don't have enough to be GS either way, but it sure as isn't on LMA if that is the case.

    No, I don't want the Spurs to repeat the same mistakes they made with LMA again. If thats your point, then this thread is worse than I thought because you've learned nothing from last year. He's not 2013 Duncan and he never will be. And that's OK.
    I'm not saying don't involve Aldridge. I'm saying involve him in more efficient ways.

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    It's what you said. It was a rehash of your OP plus some persecution/messiah complex.

    I can see why you want to change the subject.

    You called your shot. You declared yourself to be the only one with the answer that no one else will accept.
    Sure son, whatever you say. I know that if I keep going you won't ever stop so you can have it your way, tbh.

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    The problem isn't that LMA posting up. It's that posting up last year was way worse than it is this year. This year he's more than a tenth of a point better than he was last year on those plays. So, they just need to keep doing what they're doing this year when Kawhi gets back. Its already more efficient than it was last year and will only improve when he's got a healthy team with play makers around him.

    A LaMarcus post up is more efficient than a Manu pick and roll. And no one here is arguing that Manu ball isn't winning ball.

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    Fighting transition and 3 pointers with post ups and 18 foot fadeaway jumpers.

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