***** The Official 2017 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

Just think....

Give Russell Wilson a stud RB/defends he will win the SB. Give him a team, he's in the MVP talk.

[Avante]

WWE honcho Vince McMahon is going to start up another football league.

My advice.

replays, being overly concerned with safety, allow holding on kick/punt returns. And....no field goals outside the 20.

Zero in on the HBCU for players, there and the NAIA, small schools. Let the NFL have the big school cats.

Talking about at the start. Give the fans....speedy players (smaller) no long breaks with replays, not much on safety, and the with flags on every kick/punt........... , hold.

All point afters....two point trys.

Fresno could support a team, tons of towns from Modesto to Bakersfield.

[Avante]

Hmmmmmmm?

I once saw the national champion flag football team wax a team of NFLers*** (Marino QB)in a flag game. The champs were 160 pound types, who were on a whole other quicks level than the NFLers. If I'm McMahan I'm looking for a smaller quicker athlete.

*** yes it meant far more to the flag champs than the NFLers. But the difference in quicks was dramatic.

[Avante]

They really do need to dump the pro bowl as far as actually having the game. Sure vote on who should be there then leave it at that.

I don't watch the game, but did come across it today on the NFL Network (gave it 5 minutes). It's just way too obvious..."let's not get hurt out here, ok? No fun spending the off season injured"....so anyone not playing along is a jerk.

[Avante]

The game was so much better back in the day than it is today, SOOOOOOOOOO much better. First off there were only 14 NFL teams, now think. The more teams we have the less talent we see per team. Imagine a 14 team leagur today, every team would have a legit QB.

Nobody cared much about safety or IT MUST BE RIGHT. If a guy got mashed on the field......so what, it's football. The refs made the call, if wrong.... it...move on. It'll all even out.

You wouldn't dare take a knee back then, your teammates ain;t playing that wimpy ass , your problems, play football.

The games didn't stop every fifth play to check anything out, keep it rolling. The kickers couldn't kick it out of the endzone so we had the kickoff return. We didn't have fake grass so we saw the real deal. Everything about the game was better.

There weren't any 300 pounders so we saw better athletes on the lines. Guys weren't as muscular so we saw more quickness.

The greatest RB you've never heard of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVRsSvziIJI

The reason Galimore never had a 1000 yard season was because the Bears had a stud fullback named Rick Casares, he did have a 1000 yard season. First stud RB out of U of Miami.


Jim Brown was better than anyone playing today, Bob Hayes was faster than anyone, Butkus on a whole other level of bad. The amazing Gale Sayers***, nobody today compares. Lance Alworth was incredible.

*** his older brother Roger (160 pounds) was a world class sprinter. Once beat Hayes in a 100 yard dash. Gale led the nation in the long jump as a HSer. (vs HSers)

USA Rankings

1962

1....................... Bob Hayes
2......................Frank Budd
3...................Roger Sayers
4....................... Henry Carr

5..................... Dave James

Budd played for the Eagles, Carr for the Giants.

[Avante]

Things would work better if ya just cooled this silly.....how can I prove him wrong.....and just learned some things.

Seen a lot of football, trust me, ok? ...Ron "Chunky" Coleman, Israel Lang, Cyril Pinder, "Jaguar" Jon Arnett, Choo Choo Winters, Hewritt Dixon, etc etc etc.

[Fabbs]

Things would work better if

[Avante]

Let's talk about Morris Stroud the 6-10 KC Chief TE trying to block a fieldgoal, standing under the crossbar. Tell me who the kicker was. AND.....there was a cat who did block a fieldgoal standing under the crossbar....who?

[Avante]

The AFL came into existence in 1960, they had a good decade.

This would be the All AFL offense.

QB...Joe Namath Jets (Len Dawson Chiefs?)
FB...Cookie Gilchrist Bills
RB...Paul Lowe...Chargers (Abner Haynes Chiefs?)
WR...Lance Alworth Chargers
WR...Don Maynard Jets
TE...Fred Arbansas Chiefs

One of the really exciting times in the sport.

[Avante]

Trivia***************


1. First NFL 1000 yard rusher out of an Ivy League school?

2. Only Hall of Famer out of just a JC?

3. These two 1000 yard receivers played on the same JC team? (but it was another cat who was the star)

4. Who were...

The Truck
The Tank
Long Gone
The Bullet
The Hammer
Speedy
Super Gnat
Little Train
Thunder

I know....huh???

[Avante]

Yep, nobody has a clue.

Anyway.....


PAC12 Power

Arizona QB
Oregon RB
USC WR

Starring for the Eagles.

As we know now that Foles has won a SB he becomes a great QB, yep just takes one game. So once he makes the HOF, he'll join...

Aaron Rodgers Cal (no doubt)
John Elway Stanford
Troy Aikman UCLA
Warren Moon Wash
Dan Fouts Oregon



Then there was....

Drew Bledsoe
Carson Palmer
John Brodie
Andrew Luck
Danny White
Mark Brunell

[Avante]

Being Foles won a SB and the MVP.

I guess we'd have to put him above....

John Unitas
Fran Tarkenton
Dan Marino
Jim Kelly
Dan Fouts
Philip Rivers
Warren Moon
Tony Romo

....huh?

On a serious note.

If I'm the Eagles I'm doing all I can to work a trade Foles before reality has a chance to set in. Obviously Wentz is the future, and he really doesn't need Foles around.

The Eagles now join the rest of the NFC East as a SB champ.

That can't be said about...

NFC North (Lions/Vikes)
NFC West (Cards)
NFC South (Falcons/Panthers
AFC Nort (Bengals/Browns)
AFC South (Texans/Jags/ ans
AFC West (Chargers)
AFC East (Bills)

[Darth_Pelican]

[Avante]

I don't blame ya slick, what else can ya do?

[Avante]

This Friday ESPN (I think) will run a special...

The HBCU and the NFL

Hopefully they go back to the beginings, with names like....

Marion Motley South Carolina State (Reno)
Paul "Tank" Ypunger who was the first Grambling player in the NFL.
Niner J.D. Smith NCA&T the first 1000 yard rusher from an HBCU school
Bob Hayes FAMU the first 1000 yard receiver from an HBCU school

Curious about how they will try an talk arounb the obvious difference in agility, quicks and size with speed.

All Time HBCU

QB...Steve McNair Alcorn
RB...Walter Payton Jackson St
RB...Leroy Kelly Morgan St
WR...Jerry Rice MVS
WR...Charlie Joiner Grambling
TE...Shannon Sharpe Savannah St

[Avante]

Match the RB to his school

Wendell Hayes
Sid Blanks
Joe Delaney
Duane Thomas
Carl Garrett
Fred Jackson
Stump Mitc
Chris Warren
Bass
Hewritt Dixon

Florida A&M
UOP
Furman
NWLa
Humbolt
Texas A&I
New Mexico Highlands
Coe
West Texas State
The Citadel

[Darth_Pelican]

[Avante]

translation

Must be pretty cool kinowing all that stuff Avante, but......could ya just keep it simple here, you know we don't get all that stuff, ok?

[Avante]

When you watch this and hear the TV guys freaking out what are you thinking? You really cant see...IT....really?

Hopefully it's just this immature...well if Avante likes him I must run him down I..MUST. How could anyone not see the greatest there?





Come on people, here we have a unique talent, and only a know nothing wouldn't see.....IT.

Don't be an idiot and ignore the fact I;m seen them all since the late 50's. Wilson is amazing.

This guy gets it.

[Avante]

I wear a Niner ball cap, now all of a sudden people wanna talk about them, ha~~~~ Yep, been awhile.

Usually goes something like this......

dude....playoffs next season.
Avante....tuff division ya know, the Rams are better, the Seahawks can play.
dude....we can beat them.
Avante...(knowing how fans are)....I hope you're right. I will say this, I do expect to be in the NFC Championship mix real soon. See ya~~~~

[spurraider21]

is there any way to pin a thread to the bottom of the page?

[Avante]

is there any way to pin a thread to the bottom of the page?

Dude, will you ever grow up and stop acting like some asshole?

I ....try....to talk football, not my fault we have so many immature/know nothing posters "here".

[Avante]

Just read people, call all this a learning experience.

RB's and receiviers have always been speedy. Both Buddy Young 40's and Ollie Matson 50's were as fast as anyone playing right now. As was Bob Boyd, Bob Hayes. What is so dramatically different in todays game is the ....quicks....of the big guys. We didn't see that back in the day (Deacon Jones the exception). Speed, quicks with size is what really seperates the once upon a time players from what we currently see.

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One of the strangest situations is the punting of QB Sammy Baugh. He could punt today, which really is amazing.

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The above mentioned Buddy Young was 5-4 170 pounds, he won the NCAA/USA 100yds/m Championships. He was the roots to the tree, the first quick, fast, elusive black RB's, he was out of Illinois.

[Darth_Pelican]

is there any way to pin a thread to the bottom of the page?

[Avante]

Dude, this is a football forum, ok guy? Nobody gives a about you or what you want, ok guy? I talk football, while youi get all caught up in bull , dude..................GROW THE UP...ok little man?

I need more than just....sure like my team.....who should we draft....etc. I need it all so I have it all, if you can't deal with that who gives a ....ok?

Football historian here, deal with it.

I will let both these 2017 threads die if somebody makes me a 2018 thread.