Start Murray right now

[SAGirl]

Who was primarily responsible for guarding Rubio last night?

Dejounte absolutely got lit up

[SAGirl]

I was just pointing out that Rubio was guarded for the most part by Murray. He didn't adjust very well. And his D stats took a big hit last night.

They did... and I figure it was bound to happen as there is variance from game to game and he's still learning but it's a great point.

Someone just reminded me Lonzo Ball of all ppl also lit him up and took him apart.

His best asset is the rebounding which is really important for defense, and he does have games his activity defensively is evident, he blocks a shot here or there that Tony or Patty would never be able to, or his length helps him to get a steal here or there too. When he switches, he's been able to hold his own better than Tony or Patty... but he still has a lot to learn.

[ceds]

They did... and I figure it was bound to happen as there is variance from game to game and he's still learning but it's a great point.

Someone just reminded me Lonzo Ball of all ppl also lit him up and took him apart.

His best asset is the rebounding which is really important for defense, and he does have games his activity defensively is evident, he blocks a shot here or there that Tony or Patty would never be able to, or his length helps him to get a steal here or there too. When he switches, he's been able to hold his own better than Tony or Patty... but he still has a lot to learn.

Lonzo should take him apart...He's 6'6, a high lottery pick with allot of pressure to perform.

As i said before the season started in my projection best case is that he turns into a rebounding mini kawhi on D + score when he offense breaks down.

Expecting him to be a point guard this early is asking way to much so its not a surprise to see the offense runs through our big men.

What we now know is that we have an athlete at pg who sticks his nose in for boards has shown flashes of being an elite defender.

After summer league this board had written him off as a player so It's good to see him put up numbers now that he has been given a chance to start.

[Hoops Czar]

He can't run an NBA offense.

[SAGirl]

Lonzo should take him apart...He's 6'6, a high lottery pick with allot of pressure to perform.

As i said before the season started in my projection best case is that he turns into a rebounding mini kawhi on D + score when he offense breaks down.

Expecting him to be a point guard this early is asking way to much so its not a surprise to see the offense runs through our big men.

What we now know is that we have an athlete at pg who sticks his nose in for boards has shown flashes of being an elite defender.

After summer league this board had written him off as a player so It's good to see him put up numbers now that he has been given a chance to start.

Lonzo might be a lottery pick but once you are in the league where you were picked doesn't matter. Lonzo is still a rookie and he has struggled offensively... Dejounte let him take all kinds of open shot and the dude got hot. He's been shooting terrible but you can't leave most NBA players wide open. He did a poor job on Rubio too. Didn't adjust at all to the guy making jumpers...

[ceds]

So you would rather DJ instead of Lonzo?

One is a real pg (who cant shoot) whilst DJ is basically an athlete

[objective]

If anything, he should be playing more.

He's not a microwave who has finished skills and can do his thing in any amount of minutes.

He's a developing player. He needs more time to find his footing, to execute, to improve.

He needs 30+ minutes and longer stretches. No more pulls at the 6 minute mark.

[SAGirl]

So you would rather DJ instead of Lonzo?

One is a real pg (who cant shoot) whilst DJ is basically an athlete

nah... I am just saying Dijon isn't flawless. I already stated they have to live through and develop him, specially bc they have decided to stand pat and not improve... they just paid higher deals to guys who already couldn't get it done.

[DPG21920]

What I don’t get is how people, even using stats, can’t see how both of these statements are true:

Murray is the best PG option available on SA right now. Murray has not been very good.

He’s grading out as a sub-starter level player and he is such a drain on offense that any good he does is pretty much negated. He’s a large reason the offense struggles for reasons beyond the stats and I have already given up hope that he will be a truly top-level player.

He’s a poor offensive version of George Hill.

[SAGirl]

If anything, he should be playing more.

He's not a microwave who has finished skills and can do his thing in any amount of minutes.

He's a developing player. He needs more time to find his footing, to execute, to improve.

He needs 30+ minutes and longer stretches. No more pulls at the 6 minute mark.

I have thought that Pop is between a rock and a hard place and things like this are why....

You are going to lose games at times developing players who aren't ready. Only through trial and error, looking at film afterward etc... trying to learn through experience can they get better in game situations. It's going to cost you games at times... They don't want to really commit to something like that and are half assing it.

[ceds]

If anything, he should be playing more.

He's not a microwave who has finished skills and can do his thing in any amount of minutes.

He's a developing player. He needs more time to find his footing, to execute, to improve.

He needs 30+ minutes and longer stretches. No more pulls at the 6 minute mark.

Agree with this. The quick hook needs to stop

He needs 30+ mins and freedom to play his game until the trade deadline or a kawhi return.

[MaNu4Tres]

I have thought that Pop is between a rock and a hard place and things like this are why....

You are going to lose games at times developing players who aren't ready. Only through trial and error, looking at film afterward etc... trying to learn through experience can they get better in game situations. It's going to cost you games at times... They don't want to really commit to something like that and are half assing it.

Spurs really have no choice, because their vets aren't good enough to win without Kawhi either. Parker and Mills cost the Spurs more when they are on the floor overall and stats back that up on the season. Yes they can have good games once every 4 or 5 games. Yes they can be pretty solid in bringing the ball up, playing their roles within the offense, but fact of the matter is ....they aren't good anymore consistently and make mistakes along the way too -- while being huge negatives on the defense end every game. ( Spurs rank 12th in D when they are on the floor).

In regards to the point guard or combo guard position, the gap between the young players and the vets is gone. And most of their young players have proven to be ready to be contributors. As for the minute distribution at point guard -- in all honesty, the reason why Pop probably isn't increasing DeJounte's minutes is because that would mean eliminating a lot of Parker or Mills' role that they've had for the past 4 years. He's not going to do that to either one at the drop of a dime, unless DeJounte shows that he is a star right now ( and he's not -- he's just a solid role player right now). Manu, Danny & Pau are the only vets on the team who still hold a gap between them and their back ups. (Bertans and Kyle can be more effective than Pau at times but that's match up dependent. Joffrey is terrible, Manu still effective on both ends w/ days off, and Green is still himself when he's not hobbling.)

I'm not expecting Murray to be a top 10 PG in the league offensively, or to be THE difference maker like some are judging him on by making him the scapegoat of the problems on offense. Some people here are basically saying since he's not great on offense -- he's not the answer. Long term he may not be the answer, but as of right now, with what the Spurs have -- he 100% is the answer and he's only 21 with a lot of room to still grow. Until Spurs get that player, give him some time -- he's already showed improvements in handling the ball in the half court finding the open man. Not to mention, he's a huge positive in all different areas on the defensive end that Parker and Mills are terrible at (which makes him a positive more often than not-- at least more so than TP and Patty and stats back that up again).

The problems on offense are more than the PG position. They just need a really good creator that can handle heavy volume from any perimeter position. It doesn't have to be a labeled "PG".

Parker isn't the answer and hasn't been the answer for years outside of his flash in a pan Grizzlies series. Clearly Mills has never been that answer either.

Spurs are better with Murray on the floor -- stats back that up. If you disagree, I'm sorry and I'm sorry there's no evidence for your opinion to hold that much weight.

[BackHome]

If we had a SG who could handle the ball and create his own offense and be able to shoot that would have a huge impact on the team.

[r0drig0lac]

If we had a SG who could handle the ball and create his own offense and be able to shoot that would have a huge impact on the team.

yep, a type Tyreke Evans, Lance Stephenson or Lou Williams

[Seventyniner]

"Murray is a beast on defense and on the boards, who cares if he sucks on offense? Play him more!"
"Anderson sucks on offense, who cares if he's a beast on defense and on the boards? Bench him forever!"

[Spurs da champs]

Anderson, is what you mentioned but man he can make plays for himself and others, yet he makes Borris look Westbrook aggressive. Dude is way too passive.

[SAGirl]

"Murray is a beast on defense and on the boards, who cares if he sucks on offense? Play him more!"
"Anderson sucks on offense, who cares if he's a beast on defense and on the boards? Bench him forever!"

That is spurstalk ^

There is an absolute double standard in this forum when it comes to Anderson... which is why I initially got so vocal about him.

Now, I just let guys troll to their hearts content most of the time bc there is no point in reasoning with trolls.

Murray has a lot of work to do offensively and I hope he improves (same as I hope for Kyle, and others).

[SAGirl]

Anderson, is what you mentioned but man he can make plays for himself and others, yet he makes Borris look Westbrook aggressive. Dude is way too passive.

I think what is frustrating about him is that he can make plays when he has in his mind that he wants to. Still should continue to get coached. Pop at times calls plays for him if he's being passive out there and frankly most of the time he makes good decisions to go for his own basket or to pass if he finds someone. Just doesn't happen enough.

I also think he's a poor spot up player. Just has a slow shot and doesn't have the mind to be sniping. He's better off cutting and setting screens than spotting up... and I am not making excuses for him. He has to shoot if he's open.

[dabom]

"Murray is a beast on defense and on the boards, who cares if he sucks on offense? Play him more!"
"Anderson sucks on offense, who cares if he's a beast on defense and on the boards? Bench him forever!"

Fathead has zero lateral quickness you dumb . I hope he doesn't get any meaningful minutes in the POs. Don't want another OKC incident.

If Murray can become even decent on offense, we become a great team again.

[dabom]

Those minutes in the playoffs with porker done were legit PO minutes.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs are 11-11 in the games Murray has started, tbh. Not surprised he's been unlucky considering everything got OP touches turns into a pile of dried up dog

[dabom]

Pinked.

[TheGreatYacht]

.500 record and even the wins have came against straight bottom feeders. Tonight's game against the worst team in the league (with no Booker) should put him above

[tholdren]

.500 record and even the wins have came against straight bottom feeders. Tonight's game against the worst team in the league (with no Booker) should put him above

He sucks. Ive already addressed this

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray-Mills might be the worst starting backcourt off all time, and it's no coincidence that both are masturbation material for OP.