NBA Trade Deadline 2018

[DPG21920]

Pop has to decide what is more important: Winning, or winning with his guys. That's not an easy decision when talking about relationships that have lasted seven years or more. By far their best package involves Parker's expiring contract. No reason to lose value by doing Mills instead, and no point in getting worse by doing Green instead. If he can't bring himself to trade Tony, then he doesn't really have much of a right to criticize his players. No one in SA is doing everything it takes to win, except maybe LMA.

I don’t know if I agree with that. Not only would keeping TP vs Mills help out SA next off season with space, but TP is still better at running an offense than Mills and they have no one else that can really do that. It’s a skillset thing in addition to money.

Now, if you are saying the difference in getting an upgrade is a team wanting TP’s expiring vs Mills, then yes. But if it’s up to SA who to move, Mills is the better person to move on all fronts IMO.

[Chinook]

I don’t know if I agree with that. Not only would keeping TP vs Mills help out SA next off season with space, but TP is still better at running an offense than Mills and they have no one else that can really do that. It’s a skillset thing in addition to money.

Now, if you are saying the difference in getting an upgrade is a team wanting TP’s expiring vs Mills, then yes. But if it’s up to SA who to move, Mills is the better person to move on all fronts IMO.

The Spurs don't need cap space next summer. They should be fine under the tax. Getting a better player for TP's salary slot would be much more helpful than letting that roll off the books. Moreover, there's nothing to be said about the team acquiring and expiring for Tony in the trade. Not all upgrades are locked into long-term deals.

"Running the offense" helps but doesn't help. If Tony isn't going to start, then his ability to make plays is less important. Getting a real guard would be much more helpful.

I'm saying that Pop's best package is going to involve Tony. He can't be untouchable if Pop really thinks winning is important.

[BackHome]

To me you got White and Murray to take over PG duties next year. And you have Forbes that can take over Mills offensive spark next year so Tony and Mills are available for trades or draft picks.

For me the major concern is replacing Manu we don’t have anyone with his skill sets other then White

[SpurPadre]

I agree and if Pop could trade Sean Elliott then he should be able to trade Tony

He ed a teammate's wife and still stayed with the team. TP will be a Spur for life.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs don't need cap space next summer. They should be fine under the tax. Getting a better player for TP's salary slot would be much more helpful than letting that roll off the books. Moreover, there's nothing to be said about the team acquiring and expiring for Tony in the trade. Not all upgrades are locked into long-term deals.

"Running the offense" helps but doesn't help. If Tony isn't going to start, then his ability to make plays is less important. Getting a real guard would be much more helpful.

I'm saying that Pop's best package is going to involve Tony. He can't be untouchable if Pop really thinks winning is important.

I dont see how moving Mills and having the flexibility (lets say in case Lebron wants to come) is preferred. Is it needed now? No. But making a move before you are in a position to have to make a move can be a good thing.

I agree with the last part though. If the difference in getting a deal done is moving TP or not, SA should be willing.

[TD 21]

I could understand loyalty to Parker and Ginobili, but not Mills over this nonsense of being a culture carrier (they'll have hopefully Leonard and definitely Green and Parker around for that) and not this seeming mentality of unattainable star or bust. They've got to be less stubborn and more flexible if they're serious about trying to get back to being a contender.

The specter of Leonard requesting a trade shouldn't have to be the impetus to operate with this mindset, but if that's what it takes to nudge them out of their comfort zone, so be it.

[cd98]

I can't see Spurs trading Tony, even though its the right call. We need to hire Ainge as a GM. Dude has no heart and does everything to win in the front office. , he traded the MVP and heart and soul of the team (last year) the second he could upgrade.

[Dex]

He ed a teammate's wife and still stayed with the team. TP will be a Spur for life.

That was some dirty pool for Tony, but let's be honest...he was one of the 3 best players on the team at the time. They weren't going to move him for that, no matter how de ably it was.

It probably would've gone very differently if he was just a role player.

[BatManu20]

[DAF86]

Marcus Smart available for a first round.

[CGD]

Brooklyn with the sneaky solid moves in the last year. They’re essentially flipping ugly houses for value after fixing them up just enough.

[CGD]

Pop has to decide what is more important: Winning, or winning with his guys. That's not an easy decision when talking about relationships that have lasted seven years or more. By far their best package involves Parker's expiring contract. No reason to lose value by doing Mills instead, and no point in getting worse by doing Green instead. If he can't bring himself to trade Tony, then he doesn't really have much of a right to criticize his players. No one in SA is doing everything it takes to win, except maybe LMA.

What is true is that in this financial environment, Tony’s expiring is a HUGE asset. It easily nets a decent 1st right now.

[objective]

I agree and if Pop could trade Sean Elliott then he should be able to trade Tony

Pop didn't trade Sean away, that was Bob Bass. Pop traded for him back after he was hired.

[ace3g]

I don't think the Pacers would be interested in trading for a Spurs' PG for depth.

[SAGirl]

Pop has to decide what is more important: Winning, or winning with his guys. That's not an easy decision when talking about relationships that have lasted seven years or more. By far their best package involves Parker's expiring contract. No reason to lose value by doing Mills instead, and no point in getting worse by doing Green instead. If he can't bring himself to trade Tony, then he doesn't really have much of a right to criticize his players. No one in SA is doing everything it takes to win, except maybe LMA.

after seeing the latest interview from Tony on nba.com ... I am firmly in the camp of those who believe he will never get traded.
He's looking forward to continuing to play from the bench another 3 years.

I only think Pop breaks up the group if they get a MAJOR star that wants to join them. There are other moves they could make to improve deficient areas etc... and there have been possibiltes even for the past couple of years, but they don't seem to want to give up anyone unless it's for a star and thus here we are.

[mo7888]

What is true is that in this financial environment, Tony’s expiring is a HUGE asset. It easily nets a decent 1st right now.

I agree with that. I also think it could acquire a real player for this season. Teams like Charlotte are in for a huge hit next year, if we offered tony plus mills for kemba and zeller they'd have to think about it. It clears a lot of salary next year and keeps them under the tax.

[cjw]

The Spurs don't need cap space next summer. They should be fine under the tax. Getting a better player for TP's salary slot would be much more helpful than letting that roll off the books. Moreover, there's nothing to be said about the team acquiring and expiring for Tony in the trade. Not all upgrades are locked into long-term deals.

"Running the offense" helps but doesn't help. If Tony isn't going to start, then his ability to make plays is less important. Getting a real guard would be much more helpful.

I'm saying that Pop's best package is going to involve Tony. He can't be untouchable if Pop really thinks winning is important.

If you’re getting a better player for TP’s salary slot, then why not do the same with Mills’ albatross (also valuable money in a trade)? Move both guys out in separate deals if you can and don’t care about loyalty.

But do agree that TP will net you more than Mills, as he’s an expiring. It’s an extremely tight year so cap space will be valuable to another team. Meanwhile Spurs can keep rolling forward and just use the MLE. Given their losing lately, might get something more useful in the draft too vs. late 20s.

Forbes is a different player than Mills and not an exact replacement, plus is a RFA this year and will be due a raise. But a tight market will limit ability for teams to give offer sheets. And people hoping for White to be the savior ... that’s at least another year away.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mills & Kyle for Hood & Joe Johnson expiring.

[sasaint]

Brooklyn with the sneaky solid moves in the last year. They’re essentially flipping ugly houses for value after fixing them up just enough.

Future Spurs GM: Sean Marks
Future Spurs HC: Sean Marks' choice

[sasaint]

Mills & Kyle for Hood & Joe Johnson expiring.

I expect the Jazz to get better offers, tbh. I would jump on that. They are both expiring, btw, and Hood will get a big raise.

[MaNu4Tres]

I expect the Jazz to get better offers, tbh. I would jump on that. They are both expiring, btw, and Hood will get a big raise.

I'd give Hood Pattys money.

[sasaint]

I'd give Hood Pattys money.

After next season he may well get more. No matter. I am with you. Hood is a keeper and you only have to suffer Joe Johnson for a year.

[SAGirl]

Mills & Kyle for Hood & Joe Johnson expiring.

I wouldn't do it... I don't think highly of Hood. There is a chance they can retain Kyle on a very reasonable deal too.

[SAGirl]

After next season he may well get more. No matter. I am with you. Hood is a keeper and you only have to suffer Joe Johnson for a year.

[Seventyniner]

I don't think the Pacers would be interested in trading for a Spurs' PG for depth.

It didn't go too well for them last time...