Grassley's Oversight Investigation into the political corruption of the FBI and DOJ

[TSA]

Senator Ron Johnson interim report

The Clinton Email scandal and the FBI's investigation of it

https://t.co/5znf1KKZ4B

Johnson also released 502 pages of Strzok/Page text messages

https://t.co/9FuCt3guDt

[boutons_deux]

So these two lovers mean the entire FBI is anti-Trash?

Same logic as MS13 means ALL brownies gotta leave

[Pavlov]

In fairness though, the Times “matched” Page based on an emailed statement.

“Court do ents do not identify Mr. Page, but the details in a statement he emailed to reporters on Tuesday match the individual described as “Male-1” in the court case. Mr. Page’s contact with the Russian spy was first reported on Monday by BuzzFeed News.”

But, other people engaged in the same exercise, you are labeling conspira s.

Carter Page confirmed he is Male-1, Darrin.

[Pavlov]

“The referral also provides the clearest evidence yet that the FBI represented that a September 2016 Yahoo! News article independently corroborated Steele’s dossier claims about Page. But unknown to the Bureau, Steele was the very same source of the information in that Yahoo! report.”

Pavlov

Yeah, that's not what it was used for.

Referrals and memos.

[Blake]

Johnson also released 502 pages of Strzok/Page text messages

https://t.co/9FuCt3guDt

FBI and DOJ are all ed!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

https://www.newamerica.org/oti/blog/...ions-compared/

Explain to me how a court was convinced Carter Page was an agent of a foreign power AND that the facility or place to be surveilled is about to be used by the target. Also, was the court aware Carter Page previously worked undercover for the FBI?

i just read that whole link. please tell me where you get the notion that under le I, they are allowed to surveil "any contact of Page past or present"

it you want me to answer how the court was convinced of anything, i'd probably need to see the FISA application tbh. the one congressman who has doesn't seem to think that mueller's probe is undermined in any way, contrary to what you keep implying

[Pavlov]

https://www.newamerica.org/oti/blog/...ions-compared/

Explain to me how a court was convinced Carter Page was an agent of a foreign power AND that the facility or place to be surveilled is about to be used by the target. Also, was the court aware Carter Page previously worked undercover for the FBI?

you're still claiming Page was an undercover employee of the FBI.

[Blake]

i just read that whole link. please tell me where you get the notion that under le I, they are allowed to surveil "any contact of Page past or present"

no you answer his false question first

[TSA]

i just read that whole link. please tell me where you get the notion that under le I, they are allowed to surveil "any contact of Page past or present"

it you want me to answer how the court was convinced of anything, i'd probably need to see the FISA application tbh. the one congressman who has doesn't seem to think that mueller's probe is undermined in any way, contrary to what you keep implying

"communications to and from target"

[spurraider21]

"communications to and from target"

that's very different than saying they can surveil any contact of Page, past or present. thats just saying if they're listening in on a carter page call, they can hear both sides of the call, regardless of who initiated the call. they would be "swept up" and there is all the unmasking protocols we have already discussed at length ( rice indictment)

the claim i was "lol"ing was Chris saying they wiretapped trump

[TSA]

you're still claiming Page was an undercover employee of the FBI.

Do you think the UCE-1 referenced below is not Carter Page and there was another person posing as an analyst from a New York based energy company passing of binders for the FBI with listening devices?



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Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, announced that EVGENY BURYAKOV, a/k/a “Zhenya,” pled guilty today to conspiring to act in the United States as an agent of the Russian Federation, without providing prior notice to the Attorney General.

During the course of the investigation, the FBI recorded Sporyshev and Podobnyy speaking inside the SVR’s offices in New York, known as the “Residentura.”

The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting do entation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices. Sporyshev then took the binders to, among other places, the Residentura.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...onspiracy-work

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According to prosecutors, in April 2012, Sporyshev met an undercover FBI employee posing as an analyst at a New York energy firm at an oil and gas industry conference.

Over the next two years, they met to discuss the industry and other economic and political issues, prosecutors said, with Sporyshev providing gifts and cash for information.

In 2013, the FBI employee began providing Sporyshev with the binders containing purported industry analysis he wrote, supporting do ents, and “covertly placed recording devices,” prosecutors wrote.

As the undercover employee said his company would fire him if it learned he disclosed confidential information, Sporyshev would promptly return the binders after reviewing them, prosecutors said.

The recordings that resulted captured statements of Sporyshev, Podobnyy, and other Russian intelligence personnel from January to May 2013, prosecutors said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKCN0WB2NM


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"The court do ents say that Mr. Page, who founded an investment company in New York called Global Energy Capital, provided do ents about the energy business to one of the Russians, Victor Podobnyy, thinking he was a businessman who could help with brokering deals in Russia."

According to the court do ents filed in 2015, the F.B.I. secretly recorded Mr. Podobnyy and another Russian operative named Igor Sporyshev discussing efforts to recruit Mr. Page, who was then working in New York as a consultant.

To record their conversations, the F.B.I. inserted a listening device into binders that were passed to the Russian intelligence operatives during an energy conference, according to a former United States intelligence official. The Russians then took the binders into a secure room where they thought they could evade American intelligence eavesdropping attempts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/u...mp-russia.html

[Pavlov]

Do you think the UCE-1 referenced below is not Carter Page and there was another person posing as an analyst from a New York based energy company passing of binders for the FBI with listening devices?



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Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, announced that EVGENY BURYAKOV, a/k/a “Zhenya,” pled guilty today to conspiring to act in the United States as an agent of the Russian Federation, without providing prior notice to the Attorney General.

During the course of the investigation, the FBI recorded Sporyshev and Podobnyy speaking inside the SVR’s offices in New York, known as the “Residentura.”

The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting do entation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices. Sporyshev then took the binders to, among other places, the Residentura.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...onspiracy-work

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According to prosecutors, in April 2012, Sporyshev met an undercover FBI employee posing as an analyst at a New York energy firm at an oil and gas industry conference.

Over the next two years, they met to discuss the industry and other economic and political issues, prosecutors said, with Sporyshev providing gifts and cash for information.

In 2013, the FBI employee began providing Sporyshev with the binders containing purported industry analysis he wrote, supporting do ents, and “covertly placed recording devices,” prosecutors wrote.

As the undercover employee said his company would fire him if it learned he disclosed confidential information, Sporyshev would promptly return the binders after reviewing them, prosecutors said.

The recordings that resulted captured statements of Sporyshev, Podobnyy, and other Russian intelligence personnel from January to May 2013, prosecutors said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKCN0WB2NM


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"The court do ents say that Mr. Page, who founded an investment company in New York called Global Energy Capital, provided do ents about the energy business to one of the Russians, Victor Podobnyy, thinking he was a businessman who could help with brokering deals in Russia."

According to the court do ents filed in 2015, the F.B.I. secretly recorded Mr. Podobnyy and another Russian operative named Igor Sporyshev discussing efforts to recruit Mr. Page, who was then working in New York as a consultant.

To record their conversations, the F.B.I. inserted a listening device into binders that were passed to the Russian intelligence operatives during an energy conference, according to a former United States intelligence official. The Russians then took the binders into a secure room where they thought they could evade American intelligence eavesdropping attempts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/u...mp-russia.html

Since it was Podobnyy who was trying to recruit Page and not Sporyshev, yes -- I believe the undercover FBI employee is actually an undercover FBI employee.

You think they were only trying to work one person in all of New York?

You shouldn't - especially since they were openly talking about multiple recruiting efforts on the wiretap.

[TSA]

that's very different than saying they can surveil any contact of Page, past or present. thats just saying if they're listening in on a carter page call, they can hear both sides of the call, regardless of who initiated the call. they would be "swept up" and there is all the unmasking protocols we have already discussed at length ( rice indictment)

the claim i was "lol"ing was Chris saying they wiretapped trump

“ le I” FISA surveillance of U.S. citizens is the most intrusive, exhaustive and far reaching type of search, seizure and surveillance authority, permitting the FBI to look at every scintilla of Mr. Page’s life. All communication, travel and contact can be opened and reviewed. All aspects of any of Mr. Page’s engagements are subject to being secretly monitored. This is an entirely different level of surveillance authority, the highest possible, and has nothing to do with FISA-702 search queries ( le VII) of U.S. persons."

"The “ le I” designation as a foreign agent applied retroactively to any action taken by Mr. Page, and auto-generates an exponential list of other people he came in contact with. Each of those people, groups or organizations could now have their communication reviewed, unmasked and analyzed by the DOJ/FBI with the same surveillance authority granted upon the target, Mr. Page."

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ds-procedures/


I tried looking up the US codes to confirm the above but they don't really get into the details of what type of net can be cast, at least from what I found.

Do you have any source do ents refuting the above? I can't find any.

[spurraider21]

“ le I” FISA surveillance of U.S. citizens is the most intrusive, exhaustive and far reaching type of search, seizure and surveillance authority, permitting the FBI to look at every scintilla of Mr. Page’s life. All communication, travel and contact can be opened and reviewed. All aspects of any of Mr. Page’s engagements are subject to being secretly monitored. This is an entirely different level of surveillance authority, the highest possible, and has nothing to do with FISA-702 search queries ( le VII) of U.S. persons."

"The “ le I” designation as a foreign agent applied retroactively to any action taken by Mr. Page, and auto-generates an exponential list of other people he came in contact with. Each of those people, groups or organizations could now have their communication reviewed, unmasked and analyzed by the DOJ/FBI with the same surveillance authority granted upon the target, Mr. Page."

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ds-procedures/


I tried looking up the US codes to confirm the above but they don't really get into the details of what type of net can be cast, at least from what I found.

Do you have any source do ents refuting the above? I can't find any.

who am i to question sundance?

this is why i asked for a link. we have all looked up the US code by now regarding FISA warrants... i haven't seen anything confirming sundance's claim yet

[spurraider21]

you copypasted a sundance "article" where he talks about le i and le vii, but there's no source material he refers to.

i mean that's why i already made this post

[TSA]

who am i to question sundance?

this is why i asked for a link. we have all looked up the US code by now regarding FISA warrants... i haven't seen anything confirming sundance's claim yet

You can question him all you like but it doesn't sound like you've found anything to refute his claims either. Seems like he is pretty knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff so until I see something to refute it I'm just going to roll with it.

[TSA]

Since it was Podobnyy who was trying to recruit Page and not Sporyshev, yes -- I believe the undercover FBI employee is actually an undercover FBI employee.

You think they were only trying to work one person in all of New York?

You shouldn't - especially since they were openly talking about multiple recruiting efforts on the wiretap.

I don't believe there was a second person in the same time frame, with the same job le, dealing with the same Russians, and handing off the same binders with recording devices as Carter page. That is a bit too coincidental.

[spurraider21]

You can question him all you like but it doesn't sound like you've found anything to refute his claims either. Seems like he is pretty knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff so until I see something to refute it I'm just going to roll with it.

we've all looked at the US Code regarding FISA warrants, and NONE of them confirm what sundance said. that alone is a rebuttal

there isn't going to be a US Code section that says "here's all the incorrect stuff about FISA"

[Pavlov]

I don't believe there was a second person in the same time frame, with the same job le, dealing with the same Russians, and handing off the same binders with recording devices as Carter page. That is a bit too coincidental.

So you believe they were working only one person in all of New York.

lol

[spurraider21]

here's my rebuttal, TSA

https://legcounsel.house.gov/Comps/F...0Of%201978.pdf

this is the entire FISA act (all of these subsections are now in what we call the US Code. le I is all there, (50 USC 1801 through 50 USC 1812). thats everything to do with FISA le I. nothing in those codes say what sundance says. there's my rebuttal, unless im missing something

[Pavlov]

we've all looked at the US Code regarding FISA warrants, and NONE of them confirm what sundance said. that alone is a rebuttal

there isn't going to be a US Code section that says "here's all the incorrect stuff about FISA"

Could it be that an anonymous alt-right blogger just made something up?

Quelle surprise!

[TSA]

we've all looked at the US Code regarding FISA warrants, and NONE of them confirm what sundance said. that alone is a rebuttal

there isn't going to be a US Code section that says "here's all the incorrect stuff about FISA"

Where have you found any US Code that details what type of surveillance le I allows?

[TSA]

here's my rebuttal, TSA

https://legcounsel.house.gov/Comps/F...0Of%201978.pdf

this is the entire FISA act (all of these subsections are now in what we call the US Code. le I is all there, (50 USC 1801 through 50 USC 1812). thats everything to do with FISA le I. nothing in those codes say what sundance says. there's my rebuttal, unless im missing something

thanks I'll look through it.

[TSA]

Page says he wasn't so I guess we now take him for his word? Or is he still a liar?

[clambake]

"speculation has percolated on internet" lol