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    The only fantasy here is that the Obama administration did not abuse the government's intelligence gathering abilities to spy on the Trump's campaign and the President elect.
    that would be awesome.

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    The only fantasy here is that the Obama administration did not abuse the government's intelligence gathering abilities to spy on the Trump's campaign and the President elect.
    Dodge #3.

    You still have questions to answer after lying about your own post.
    Link?

    I think you’re confusing Russian collusion investigation and Russian election interference investigation.
    1) What's the difference?

    2) What are your dates for both, with links?

    Quit dodging.

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    I'm mocking him and you.

    Dodge #2.

    "Obama ordered an investigation."

    Now you're lying about what you said.




    1) What's the difference?

    2) What are your dates for both, with links?

    Quit dodging.
    Obama ordered an investigation in December 2016. FBI started theirs in April 2106. I provided the December 2016 link, you provided the April 2016 link. Enough with the redundant questions.

    You are boring me. Moving on.

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    BREAKING: Another Longtime Aide To James Comey OUT at FBI

    Michael Kortan, the FBI’s Head of Public Affairs and longtime aide to former bureau chief James Comey, is leaving his post.



    Add another to the list!


    Strzok
    McCabe
    Yates
    Ohr
    Baker
    Carlin
    Laufman
    Kortan

    Am I missing anyone?

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    Add another to the list!


    Strzok
    McCabe
    Yates
    Ohr
    Baker
    Carlin
    Laufman
    Kortan

    Am I missing anyone?
    But Flynn lied to the FBI!

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    Comey

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    Obama ordered an investigation in December 2016.
    This is a flat out lie. You even lie about what you post yourself.

    December 2016---Obama orders report on Russian hacking

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/politi...ion/index.html
    A report is not an investigation.

    FBI started theirs in April 2106. I provided the December 2016 link, you provided the April 2016 link. Enough with the redundant questions.

    You are boring me. Moving on.
    Dodge #4.

    You said I was getting confused. I asked you to clear it up. You dodged.
    Link?

    I think you’re confusing Russian collusion investigation and Russian election interference investigation.
    1) What's the difference?

    2) What are your dates for both, with links?[/quote]

    Quit dodging.

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    Obama ordered an investigation in December 2016. FBI started theirs in April 2106. I provided the December 2016 link, you provided the April 2016 link. Enough with the redundant questions.

    You are boring me. Moving on.
    pretty sure obama's december 2016 thing was specific to cyber activity/hacking... for security purposes. thats different than a broader investigation into russian meddling/influence

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    pretty sure obama's december 2016 thing was specific to cyber activity/hacking... for security purposes. thats different than a broader investigation into russian meddling/influence
    Even TSA said he ordered a report before he lied and said Obama ordered an investigation.

    lol

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    He wasn't on the campaign anymore when the application was made in October. They specifically waited until he was off the campaign.
    Again, according to the FISA laws, they didn't have to have the court order to begin surveillance as soon as Page turned up on Trump's doorstep. Obtaining the order is only necessary if they wanted to use something they found in Court. It's inadmissible otherwise.

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    Again, according to the FISA laws, they didn't have to have the court order to begin surveillance as soon as Page turned up on Trump's doorstep. Obtaining the order is only necessary if they wanted to use something they found in Court. It's inadmissible otherwise.
    Again, you're pushing a fantasy where Lynch just wiretapped Trump without any authorization.

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    Again, you're pushing a fantasy where Lynch just wiretapped Trump without any authorization.
    ..and you're defending Lynch/Hillary because...reasons.

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    Again, you're pushing a fantasy where Lynch just wiretapped Trump without any authorization.
    Didn't have to be Lynch...

    (g)“Attorney General” means the Attorney General of the United States (or Acting Attorney General), the Deputy Attorney General, or, upon the designation of the Attorney General, the Assistant Attorney General designated as the Assistant Attorney General for National Security under section 507A of le 28.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1801

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    ..and you're defending Lynch/Hillary because...reasons.
    No need to defend anyone when there is no evidence against them.

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    Didn't have to be Lynch...

    (g)“Attorney General” means the Attorney General of the United States (or Acting Attorney General), the Deputy Attorney General, or, upon the designation of the Attorney General, the Assistant Attorney General designated as the Assistant Attorney General for National Security under section 507A of le 28.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1801
    OK, who was it in this case?

    Name a name.

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    Again, according to the FISA laws, they didn't have to have the court order to begin surveillance as soon as Page turned up on Trump's doorstep. Obtaining the order is only necessary if they wanted to use something they found in Court. It's inadmissible otherwise.
    lol they cant just begin surveillance just for funsies

    and if they began surveillance without an order, they would have to inform them within 10 days of (B)the facts and cir stances relied upon by the applicant to justify the applicant’s belief that each new facility or place at which the electronic surveillance is directed is or was being used, or is about to be used, by the target of the surveillance

    and this would only apply in cir stances where they aren't sure of the location.



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    again, alleging that they violated FISA laws and did unauthorized surveillance isn't very different than saying FISA statues allowed them to conduct the alleged behavior

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    OK, who was it in this case?

    Name a name.
    Again, I'm not pushing any theories. I'm just interpreting the law, and showing that there are ways around them. To summarize:


    Can an emergency order be issued by the AG office to surveil someone before an Court Order is obtained? Yes.

    Can the FISA Order include electronically surveilling known Trump locations? Yes.

    Can new locations for surveillance be added to the order between 10-60 days after surveillance has started? Yes

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    Again, I'm not pushing any theories. I'm just interpreting the law, and showing that there are ways around them. To summarize:


    Can an emergency order be issued by the AG office to surveil someone before an Court Order is obtained? Yes.

    Can the FISA Order include electronically surveilling known Trump locations? Yes.

    Can new locations for surveillance be added to the order between 10-60 days after surveillance has started? Yes
    But there is zero evidence any of this ever happened.

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    lol they cant just begin surveillance just for funsies

    and if they began surveillance without an order, they would have to inform them within 10 days of (B)the facts and cir stances relied upon by the applicant to justify the applicant’s belief that each new facility or place at which the electronic surveillance is directed is or was being used, or is about to be used, by the target of the surveillance

    and this would only apply in cir stances where they aren't sure of the location.


    Agreed.

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    But there is zero evidence any of this ever happened.
    Agreed. Your initial question that I answered was:

    "Could Trump be wiretapped because of a FISA I order on Page"

    Yes, any potential locations where Page would have operated were in play.

    You didn't ask "Was Trump wiretapped because of a FISA I order on Page."

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    pretty sure obama's december 2016 thing was specific to cyber activity/hacking... for security purposes. thats different than a broader investigation into russian meddling/influence
    Yes that is the point. The Page/Strzok texts in September about "POTUS wants to know everything we are working on" could not be about the Obama announcement in December to look into Russian cyber activity/hacking. The Clinton email investigation had already supposedly been shut down by September. The only investigation Obama could have been asking to know everything about from the FBI was Trump/Russia collusion.

    "I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it. I guarantee it,”

    "I guarantee that there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the Justice Department or the FBI, not just in this case but in any case."---Obama April 2016

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    Even TSA said he ordered a report before he lied and said Obama ordered an investigation.

    lol
    reduced to semantics...sad

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    reduced to semantics...sad
    Honestly dude is there any credible source out there that agrees with you that all these en ies are ed the way you say they are?

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    reduced to semantics...sad
    You're reduced to flat out lying...sad.

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