Kawhi 2018/2019

[MoSpur02]

OK, I think you guys have convinced me. They're going to have to do it through the draft as they're not likely to lure anyone here, so I guess if Kawhi can't play, they can still get talent through the draft and rebuild that way.



Do you mean if he doesn't return this season? You want to trade him before next season starts and not even offer the Supermax? You don't want to see how he plays next season before making the trade?

I would still keep him if he's upset and doesn't want to re-sign, you gotta let him play next season and up his trade value. I think if he doesn't come back and you try and trade him before anyone sees him play, then his value would be at the lowest point. Not the best time to trade IMO. When do you guys think would be the best time to trade him value wise if it ever came to that?

Anyway, I'd rather Kawhi come back healthy and stay. I hate talking about this stuff.

I would rather him comeback healthy and help the team. They need him out there. However, if he doesn’t comeback this season and plays, it’s MY OPINION that it’s because he doesn’t want to because he’s not right mentally. If I’m the Spurs I look at as a red flag and not sure I would offer someone like that a supermax deal. If he doesn’t want to resign for less than the supermax then trade him. That’s how I look at it.

[spurs10]

I would rather him comeback healthy and help the team. They need him out there. However, if he doesn’t comeback this season and plays, it’s MY OPINION that it’s because he doesn’t want to because he’s not right mentally. If I’m the Spurs I look at as a red flag and not sure I would offer someone like that a supermax deal. If he doesn’t want to resign for less than the supermax then trade him. That’s how I look at it.

If Kawhi isn’t playing because ‘he doesn’t want to’ for mental reasons, I think he should be forced to divide his 19 mil this year with ST posters! KL seems like a compe or that wants to play and win....he’s injured I’m thinking.

[SpursforSix]

So what do you suggest the Spurs do? Despite some of their ty picks late in the draft the past 10 years or so, I still think the Spurs would do better with a higher pick that most other NBA teams. The Spurs are likely to pick someone they believe they can develop into a good/great player. Other teams might pick the same player, but they may not be able to get as much of his potential out as the Spurs can.

The problem is that it takes a certain type of player to be willing to put up with Pop's schtick. They are few and far between. Fortunately for the Spurs, the number one pick in 1997 happened to be a low key guy that could handle the system. And of course picking up Manu and Parker helped.

Jury remains out on whether or not Leonard is going to be that kind of guy as well. Especially if PATFO can't put better pieces around him.

[jermaine]

Maybe the FO told Kawhi take all the time he needs, cuz they realize ain't no one beating GS anyways. Maybe they're just letting the youngsters play to see what they have going forward an who they need to get rid of. Maybe tbis is all part of the plan to make Kawhi happy so they can make something happen in the off-season.

[emanueldavidginobili]

The thing that is interesting is before every game on the Spurs Injury report for Kawhi they don’t put Quadricep tendinopathy anymore it’s “return from injury management”. He’s never had surgery for this injury and it’s been weeks that he’s been on the “return from injury management”. All of this makes Zero since, but if I was in charge I would definetely need KL to prove himself next year that he can still be the KL we all know and stay heathy before I throw a Max deal at him. I mean even when he came back from the injury a couple days after he partially tears something in his shoulder smh. This whole situation is just sad seeing how Kawhi was predicted by many people to be the MVP of this season.

[spurs10]

Maybe the FO told Kawhi take all the time he needs, cuz they realize ain't no one beating GS anyways. Maybe they're just letting the youngsters play to see what they have going forward an who they need to get rid of. Maybe tbis is all part of the plan to make Kawhi happy so they can make something happen in the off-season.

I definitely think he was told to take all the time he needs. I'm not so sure it's because they've thrown up the white flag.

[objective]

Real question is if whoever wins the lotto offers the #1 pick for Kawhi (like the Cavs or whoever gets the Lakers pick).

If Kawhi sits the rest of the season and remains so distant, and the #1 pick is on the table ...

Who knows?

[MoSpur02]

I would like to see the Spurs trade for Aaron Gordon and their 1st round pick in 2018 IF the Spurs see he doesn’t want to comeback and play for them. My first choice is resigning him.

[TD 21]

I would like to see the Spurs trade for Aaron Gordon and their 1st round pick in 2018 IF the Spurs see he doesn’t want to comeback and play for them. My first choice is resigning him.

A team like Magic would never do that because they know Leonard would just walk as a free agent the following off season. It has to be a team on the verge of contending or at least with a path to doing so, to justify giving up the requisite assets.

[MoSpur02]

A team like Magic would never do that because they know Leonard would just walk as a free agent the following off season. It has to be a team on the verge of contending or at least with a path to doing so, to justify giving up the requisite assets.

Good point.

[jermaine]

I definitely think he was told to take all the time he needs. I'm not so sure it's because they've thrown up the white flag.

The white flag came out once Parker went to the bench!

[jermaine]

Seriously... Kawhi hasn't had no kinda surgery but he's still out while Parker has played countless games... An you'll wanna throw 200mil at this dude!?! I can see why he's mad about the roster, if that's true. But sitting out games cuz you're in your feelings is a pussy ass move!!! I'm waiting to hear what the have to say before I give my Kawhi doll to my dogs as a chew you an his jerseys for them as a blanket.

[YGWHI]

These guys...

it is getting closer to a career-altering and franchise-changing territory for the parties involved.

But sitting out games cuz you're in your feelings is a pussy ass move!!!

So Kawhi has a career-altering injury but at the same time he's healthy, it doesn't matter that he already tried to play this season, he's just refusing to play cuz his feelings ...

This injury is more mental than physical.

So what do you do if he's a s of himself and is constantly injured, or if this current injury keeps reoccurring year after year? What do you do with that 200+ million contract you signed him to? You ever thought about that?

Kawhi isn't injured at all, it's just mental but at the same time the Spurs shouldn't give him the super-max because...he's injured.

[TheDoctor]

[BillMc]

As I said, the Blake trade shows me you can always find a taker for a star, even an often injured one. Unless this injury is so bad that Kawhi can't pass a physical, you bite the bullet and give him the supermax.

Of course, it'd be a lot easier to do that if he returned this season and looked great. It only really gets dicey if he doesn't return at all or comes back and looks awful.

[spurs10]

As I said, the Blake trade shows me you can always find a taker for a star, even an often injured one. Unless this injury is so bad that Kawhi can't pass a physical, you bite the bullet and give him the supermax.

Of course, it'd be a lot easier to do that if he returned this season and looked great. It only really gets dicey if he doesn't return at all or comes back and looks awful.

One thing I think we all agree on, including the Spurs, is how valuable and important he is to our future. Sure we could go another direction, but I doubt anyone wants that. Hopefully that includes Kawhi!

[Chinook]

How so? Whats your game plan if Kawhi can't come back the way he was before that makes the Spurs championship caliber? There is literally nothing they can do to win a ring if Leonard is done until they draft another top 5 player.

People keep acting like the only thing that matters is being a contender. There are more severe repercussions to Kawhi falling apart while on a supermax than just being a middling playoff team. The team would be locking themselves into almost a quarter-billion dollars. You're talking about a team going through some kind of owner change given the divorce. Whichever Holt gets ownership rights, they will be poorer than they are now (which is relatively poor). You drop that bomb on them and that's likely going to trigger a sale. Best-case may be a run like the Clippers had under Sterling where they were cheap as and awful. Worst-case could be the team either moving or constantly fighting with the city and using moving as a threat. I want no part of that downside. I'd much rather be a team like this year but without the uncertainty of if Leonard was coming back.

A middling team can become a contender with the right draft steal (like Kawhi himself) or the right trade (Harden). You're going to be really disappointed if you think SA is going to be like GS or CLE and just throw money at a le come or high water. It's probably not going to happen. I expect the Spurs to offer Kawhi and for him to be fine. But I also expect them to stick to their guns if they have reservations on his health. PATFO has earned enough political capital to not have their futures tied to Kawhi if they don't want them to be.

[spurs10]

People keep acting like the only thing that matters is being a contender. There are more severe repercussions to Kawhi falling apart while on a supermax than just being a middling playoff team. The team would be locking themselves into almost a quarter-billion dollars. You're talking about a team going through some kind of owner change given the divorce. Whichever Holt gets ownership rights, they will be poorer than they are now (which is relatively poor). You drop that bomb on them and that's likely going to trigger a sale. Best-case may be a run like the Clippers had under Sterling where they were cheap as and awful. Worst-case could be the team either moving or constantly fighting with the city and using moving as a threat. I want no part of that downside. I'd much rather be a team like this year but without the uncertainty of if Leonard was coming back.

A middling team can become a contender with the right draft steal (like Kawhi himself) or the right trade (Harden). You're going to be really disappointed if you think SA is going to be like GS or CLE and just throw money at a le come or high water. It's probably not going to happen. I expect the Spurs to offer Kawhi and for him to be fine. But I also expect them to stick to their guns if they have reservations on his health. PATFO has earned enough political capital to not have their futures tied to Kawhi if they don't want them to be.

I’m not sure what you meant “I expect the Spurs to offer Kawhi and for him to be fine.” What are you thinking that offer will be? And yes there are many things to be concerned about if you are the owners, like selling tickets. Getting face value for a ticket is not happening now.

[Chinook]

I’m not sure what you meant “I expect the Spurs to offer Kawhi and for him to be fine.” What are you thinking that offer will be? And yes there are many things to be concerned about if you are the owners, like selling tickets. Getting face value for a ticket is not happening now.

I expect them to offer Kawhi the max and for him to be fine.

[spurs10]

I expect them to offer Kawhi the max and for him to be fine.

Here’s to hoping he’ll be fine.