yep timmy had some good entry passes from parker and manu, our current crop of guards suck balls at finding LMA in good position and every game they miss easy points unable to get it to him in a timely manner
patty especially has terrible court vision.
This thread is bull ........its like saying Lebron ball isnt winning ball, when they had a trash supporting cast. Its like saying Curry ball isnt winning ball if Durant were to suddenly have a season ending injury. A single person cannot do it alone.
Pau HAS NOT been playing well lately. Not hating. Might be the weight he lost or just washed up time. Outside his passing, his scoring is becoming inefficient. I hope he can turn his own season around. I have enjoyed watching him in some of his better games. He crushed Portland bigs one game. He’s just too inconsistent. In fact that’s his last good/dominant game that I recall. When Pau has played well the Spurs have been in great positions to win. That’s rare. The losing skid has been characterized by bad Pau appearances.
I suppose with Gay and Kiwi back you need less of him. Gay is better in the post and iso situations if you want that in the bench. It’s just really questionable that with a fully healthy roster Pau is good value in that deal. It was predictable too.
If it wasn’t for all these injuries he might have had even less overall impact since the burden is shifted to others. He has been bad as of late. And he seems unplayable against up tempo teams unless he can punish them like he punished Portland. (A rare sighting)
This is why I don't really buy that we need another playmaking star per se. All the team needed to do was at least upgrade a few positions of need and the team would've been much better off.
I mean, is it that hard to find a reliable 3pt shooter with better vision than Mills? All that culture though, I guess...
I am inclined to believe since they were trying to trade Lamarcus in the summer per his request that he was slated to be their best big (yuck) with them having been able to swing a trade for Irving or something to that effect. Lamarcus didn’t really make peace with Pop until after all options were exhausted. Still Spurs whiffing on everyone they wanted in the summer or what they wanted to accomplish not panning out ended up in 12:01 and Pau for 3 years.
Take the best player off of a championship team and they will most likely be average to terrible. Imagine if Duncan missed a full season from '02-'07 how bad the Spurs would look with Manu and Tony. I feel a Manu-Tony team without Duncan even in that era would be a 30 win team.
yeah its pops fault we lost in 2000. after duncan went down he should have known that robinson ball is not winning ball. didnt he learn from the 90's???
Patty misses the passes that are there, and tries to force ones that aren't. The experiment on him being a passing guard have officially failed...he is a one-trick pony.
, i wish he was a one trick pony
that's more tricks then he's got right now.
If Kawhi was healthy and LA was injured, you could flip the le of this thread around and the same would be true.
LaMarcus has done everything humanly possible to keep the Spurs in the 3rd seed. The guy is dealing with double teams, or partial double teams (guard digs) on a nightly basis.
LA on the offensive boards shows just how hard he is battling.
I doubt it. Kawhi will run P&Rs, will attack the rim, will draw fouls, will shoot 3's, will lead fast-breaks...He will post-up too but not 45% fq like LMA, just 7 maybe 8% like last year.
LMA wouldn't deal with double teams that often if he wouldn't stay immobile in the post almost half of his minutes on court waiting for an entry pass...The guy is dealing with double teams, or partial double teams (guard digs) on a nightly basis.
Again. It's not about LMA, I guess this thread is about a style of game but also about the poor way that Pop is using a this guy.
Some teams take risks and win. Rockets did it. Also, Lou Williams wasn't injured, Gerald Green either. It's not like I really like these players but they're offensive role players, a team should have one or two of this type of player who can score +20 points if needed. I wonder who are true offensive role players on this Spurs team.
Emmh, yeah. Cavs fans should obviously discuss if Love as a second option is enough to win the championship.
And the question was even more relevant while Irving was there since he had practically the same usg% that Lebron had. In fact, the previous season Kyrie had a higher usg% than Lebron.
So yeah, of course folks should definitely discuss if their second options are enough to win championships, specially when they are so far ahead in terms of touches and usage to the number 3 option of the team. That isn't as important when the secondary option isn't as ball dominant (like with the Spurs in '14 or '03).
Smh, are folks in this place really so slow?
Dudes hear this out: I'M NOT BLAMING LA FOR OUR CURRENT RECORD, I KNOW THAT WITHOUT HIM THE SPURS WOULD BE A LOTTERY TEAM RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST MAKING AN OBSERVATION OF HIS GAME IN GENERAL: HE IS POST UP DEPENDENT (THE LEAST EFFICIENT PLAY IN BASKETBALL), HE IS MIDRANGE DEPENDENT (THE LEAST EFFICIENT SHOT IN BASKETBALL) AND HE PAIRS ALL THAT WITH A TASTE FOR SOFT INEFFICIENT FADEAWAYS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HIM HAVING TO STEP UP AS A 1ST OPTION WITH KAWHI INJURED, I'M LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE AND COMMENTING THAT, EVEN WHEN KAWHI IS BACK, LA AS A HIGH USAGE SECOND OPTION STILL WON'T BE ENOUGH TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS, BECAUSE HIS GAME STYLE JUST ISN'T EFFICIENT FOR TODAY'S NBA. STOP TALKING ABOUT KAWHI BEING INJURED AS IF I WAS BASING MY POINT ON THE FACT THAT THE SPURS AREN'T WINNING GAMES, BECAUSE THAT ISN'T THE CASE AT ALL.
Firs of all, read above because that is for you too.
Second, that which you said right there is dumb. A Manu-Tony-Pop team would easily win 50+ games and make the playoffs. Spurs have a lifetime winning record of bigger than 60% without Duncan and that includes Manu-Tony less seasons. The winning % of the Spurs without Duncan on the Manu-Tony era is probably higher than that.
You are wrong, Pop tried to use him differently last year and all that did was take away his strengths and make him want a trade. Pop is using him how he should be used.
And win 60+ games and make the WCF, but who cares right?
Yeah and they are 3rd place this year WITHOUT Kawhi because of LMA. Imagine how good they will be with a better LMA and a healthy Kawhi. Last year's Aldridge is not what we want.
Hope we would be good enough to win a championship, but I doubt it.
yeah, last year aldridge was pretty pathetic. in part to do with his mental makeup, and in part with pop's usage of him. he deservedly missed the all-star team.
first option aldridge doing what he's doing this year is good enough for us to make playoffs and possibly win a round depending on the opponent. second option aldridge playing this well is probably good enough to win, but still unlikely given warriors god status tbh
i still think its a hilarious notion that having your second option become the de facto first option is not winning ball. no
Dude, really? I thought you were smarter than this.
I don't know how else do I need to explain that the Spurs record this season is irrelevant to me. I'm not basing my argument on the win/loss column. I'm not even basing my argument on how well Aldridge is doing (fwiw, I think he has been great and is the biggest reason why the Spurs are in playoffs position right now). Heck, I even made this thread after a Spurs win in which Aldridge scored 30+.
I'm basing my argument on the style of play Aldridge has and what the numbers suggest about that playing style, which pretty much matches my idea about what is winning basketball in the NBA right now.
i agree that aldridge doing this as our first option is not a championship formula.
i think its hilarious to sit here discussing if aldridge doing this as our first option is or isn't a championship formula.
Wow the Manu with another re ed response. Duncan didn't miss that many games ever in a season. The most he's ever missed prior to his last season was 16 games. That's such a small sample size to being going by to make your wild claim that they could win 50 games with Manu-Tony. Also you can manipulate the stats to your advantage if we don't look at it closely. For example Duncan missed 21 games his last season but it didn't matter since he was washed up that year and the Spurs had a prime Kawhi and LMA so of course they would have a great record without him that year. Also have to factor in Pop resting Duncan against garbage teams in which it was a given the Spurs could win without him during the Manu-Tony era. Another way you manipulate stats is by saying the Spurs had a great record without Duncan even before the Manu-Tony era. That sound impressive until you find out that Duncan only missed 8 games in that era and it happened during the '00 season. Obviously that Spurs team could play great in 8 games without Tim since they had an all-star in Robinson but if they had to play a full season without Tim that team is not winning 50 games. In fact that team finished with 53 wins for that season. Take Duncan off of that team for a full year and they don't get 50.Smh, are folks in this place really so slow?
Dudes hear this out: I'M NOT BLAMING LA FOR OUR CURRENT RECORD, I KNOW THAT WITHOUT HIM THE SPURS WOULD BE A LOTTERY TEAM RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST MAKING AN OBSERVATION OF HIS GAME IN GENERAL: HE IS POST UP DEPENDENT (THE LEAST EFFICIENT PLAY IN BASKETBALL), HE IS MIDRANGE DEPENDENT (THE LEAST EFFICIENT SHOT IN BASKETBALL) AND HE PAIRS ALL THAT WITH A TASTE FOR SOFT INEFFICIENT FADEAWAYS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HIM HAVING TO STEP UP AS A 1ST OPTION WITH KAWHI INJURED, I'M LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE AND COMMENTING THAT, EVEN WHEN KAWHI IS BACK, LA AS A HIGH USAGE SECOND OPTION STILL WON'T BE ENOUGH TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS, BECAUSE HIS GAME STYLE JUST ISN'T EFFICIENT FOR TODAY'S NBA. STOP TALKING ABOUT KAWHI BEING INJURED AS IF I WAS BASING MY POINT ON THE FACT THAT THE SPURS AREN'T WINNING GAMES, BECAUSE THAT ISN'T THE CASE AT ALL.
Firs of all, read above because that is for you too.
Second, that which you said right there is dumb. A Manu-Tony-Pop team would easily win 50+ games and make the playoffs. Spurs have a lifetime winning record of bigger than 60% without Duncan and that includes Manu-Tony less seasons. The winning % of the Spurs without Duncan on the Manu-Tony era is probably higher than that.
Spurs had good records without Duncan in short stretches but I doubt they would have a great record without him for a full year. It's very difficult to maintain a high level of play for whole entire year without your superstar. In a short period of time a team can play at a high level without their superstar but eventually the league adjusts. The current Spurs started the season 19-8 without Kawhi in which they were winning 70 percent of their games. They were on pace to win 57 games. You had idiots in the media screaming and people on this forum and other forums that Kawhi was overrated and the Spurs didn't really need him. Now the Spurs are struggling and it doesn't look like they will get to 50. Teams have adjusted and figured out the Spurs schemes without Kawhi. The same thing would happened to the Spurs if they played a full season without Duncan.
If Aldridge can continue to play at his current level WHEN Kawhii comes back, the Spurs will be in okay shape.
I never said anything about Aldridge doing this as a first option. That's what you need to get through your head.
Never said that. Read again, and read it well. No wonder people here don't get what I'm saying.
I agree with the premise that teams tend to hold the forth without its superstar for short periods of time. So if you want, we can take the whole "Spurs won 60+% of the games when Duncan didn't play" argument our of the way. You will still have a hard time getting people to agree with you on the idea of a Spurs team with three hall of famers on their primes (Pop, Manu and Tony) winning just 30 games. That's beyond re ed, tbh.Spurs had good records without Duncan in short stretches but I doubt they would have a great record without him for a full year. It's very difficult to maintain a high level of play for whole entire year without your superstar. In a short period of time a team can play at a high level without their superstar but eventually the league adjusts. The current Spurs started the season 19-8 without Kawhi in which they were winning 70 percent of their games. They were on pace to win 57 games. You had idiots in the media screaming and people on this forum and other forums that Kawhi was overrated and the Spurs didn't really need him. Now the Spurs are struggling and it doesn't look like they will get to 50. Teams have adjusted and figured out the Spurs schemes without Kawhi. The same thing would happened to the Spurs if they played a full season without Duncan.
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