School shooting: Parkland, Florida

[Spurtacular]

Anyone have any ideas or theories as to why in the 70 years post ww2 in this age of automatic weaponry why this is a relatively new age phenomenon? I know I blame it on the breakdown of social cohesion.

Zombie-induced youths via drugs, public indoctrination, etc.

[Bill_Brasky]

What do you think we do about it?

Be reasonable and make it more costly to legally obtain/own. Maybe use our brains and realize that supporting restrictions on guns =/= wanting an allout ban.

[monosylab1k]

That's why they want to use veterans dip . That's why they want extra security, so the kids are not relying on Rambo dip .

Yeah but all we need is a good guy with a gun, that’s what the NRA has been saying for years. Are you saying a good guy with a gun isn’t enough? You dare to defy your lord and savior Wayne LaPierre?

[pgardn]

Anyone have any ideas or theories as to why in the 70 years post ww2 in this age of automatic weaponry why this is a relatively new age phenomenon? I know I blame it on the breakdown of social cohesion.

Every generation seems to blame another for some social ill. The TV took families away from the dinner table. This was supposed to be crisis to some. You blame what? on the lack of social cohesion?

[Chris]

gun control, yeah that's the answer! the only control the left wants is complete control and that's a world where citizen's have no rights to bear arms.

maybe we should get down to the real issues here; parenting and mental illness. you can thank bigPharma for creating a society of bi-polar nutjobs.

[spurraider21]

oh look. confiscation strawman. never seen that one before

[midnightpulp]

Anyone have any ideas or theories as to why in the 70 years post ww2 in this age of automatic weaponry why this is a relatively new age phenomenon? I know I blame it on the breakdown of social cohesion.

There's never a single "magic bullet" answer. But I believe we can blame a few elements of modern (American) life (since the 1980s, which is when mass/school shootings started increasing to uncomfortable frequencies) that could possibly explain the epidemic.

- As noted earlier by myself and a few others, mental health treatment in the country is terrible. To demonstrate how much society "cares" about mental health treatment, it costs 75K per year here in California (in tax dollars) to house an inmate (who is more than likely a non-violent offender and suffering from a mental health issue like addiction). In comparison, only 160 dollars are ear marked per capita for mental health treatment. See this list here on how much each state spends per capita: http://www.governing.com/gov-data/he...-by-state.html. And the nationwide average to house inmates is 33K per year.

Furthermore, I don't see it as a surprise correlation that the mass shooting epidemic started in the 1980s after Reagan signed the Omnibus Act, which considerably slashed mental health care funding. And henceforth, the majority (if not all) states enacted a 72 hour hold provision in lieu of in-patient ins utional commitment (the former is obviously much cheaper).

- 24 hours news cycle. Disillusioned, potentially violent people looking for a way to "get back" at society are notorious copycats. I grew up in the 80s, and never once saw a report about a mass shooting (despite there being many of them). CNN was only on cable, so there wasn't any channels that would cover a breaking story such as a mass shooting 24/7. The most coverage an incident like that would get would be a quick segment on the local 10 'o clock news (unless of course the incident was local to the area). So in those days, a brooding, unstable misanthrope ostensibly had less access to "inspirational ideas" and/or would receive much less coverage of his act (a typical trait of mass shooters is they want their act to be remembered). Today, a mass shooter is basically turned into a quasi-celebrity via the endless amount of news websites and channels, and for copycats, there's no shortage of "heroes," who are now household names, to emulate.

- Highest divorce rate in US history, single parent households at an all-time high. Not the best environment to rear children, and I'm not surprised there's a correlation (and epidemic divorce started in the 1980s).

- Echoing point 1, I think anti-depressants and other behavioral altering psychotropic drugs could play a role. Even though these drugs have been around for decades, we still really don't know the full range of their side-effects or efficacy. SSRIs never endured a comprehensive clinical trial before they were rushed out into the market. And recent studies have shown they're no more effective than placebo for treating depression. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...not-take-ssris. And yet, physicians dish them out like candy. And once again, another positive correlation between the rise of SSRI prescriptions and mass shootings.

- This is probably the opinion you'll disagree with, but considering all the above, I think it is prudent to enact stricter gun control. The above factors have seemed to create a decline in our collective society's responsibility and trustworthiness, so to continue with 1940s gun control laws in the face of that doesn't make sense, at least until we get the above sociological factors sorted out. A troubled individual like Cruz should not have been able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 like he was ordering a cheeseburger. Again, no bans, confiscation, just more vetting. Minimum age 21 and you're required to undergo a licensing procedure like when driving a car. Since mandatory mental health checkups can seem a bit draconian, maybe a mandatory renewal of your license every 2 years should be put into the books. I also think a tiered licensing structure makes sense. Class A, B, C. If you want to own something like an AR-15, I think you first need to prove yourself a responsible "Class A" (shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers) gun owner for a couple of years before you graduate to a higher class license. Automobile licenses are structured similarly.

[pgardn]

There's never a single "magic bullet" answer. But I believe we can blame a few elements of modern (American) life (since the 1980s, which is when mass/school shootings started increasing to uncomfortable frequencies) that could possibly explain the epidemic.

- As noted earlier by myself and a few others, mental health treatment in the country is terrible. To demonstrate how much society "cares" about mental health treatment, it costs 75K per year here in California (in tax dollars) to house an inmate (who is more than likely a non-violent offender and suffering from a mental health issue like addiction). In comparison, only 160 dollars are ear marked per capita for mental health treatment. See this list here on how much each state spends per capita: http://www.governing.com/gov-data/he...-by-state.html. And the nationwide average to house inmates is 33K per year.

Furthermore, I don't see it as a surprise correlation that the mass shooting epidemic started in the 1980s after Reagan signed the Omnibus Act, which considerably slashed mental health care funding. And henceforth, the majority (if not all) states enacted a 72 hour hold provision in lieu of in-patient ins utional commitment (the former is obviously much cheaper).

- 24 hours news cycle. Disillusioned, potentially violent people looking for a way to "get back" at society are notorious copycats. I grew up in the 80s, and never once saw a report about a mass shooting (despite there being many of them). CNN was only on cable, so there wasn't any channels that would cover a breaking story such as a mass shooting 24/7. The most coverage an incident like that would get would be a quick segment on the local 10 'o clock news (unless of course the incident was local to the area). So in those days, a brooding, unstable misanthrope ostensibly had less access to "inspirational ideas" and/or would receive much less coverage of his act (a typical trait of mass shooters is they want their act to be remembered). Today, a mass shooter is basically turned into a quasi-celebrity via the endless amount of news websites and channels, and for copycats, there's no shortage of "heroes," who are now household names, to emulate.

- Highest divorce rate in US history, single parent households at an all-time high. Not the best environment to rear children, and I'm not surprised there's a correlation (and epidemic divorce started in the 1980s).

- Echoing point 1, I think anti-depressants and other behavioral altering psychotropic drugs could play a role. Even though these drugs have been around for decades, we still really don't know the full range of their side-effects or efficacy. SSRIs never endured a comprehensive clinical trial before they were rushed out into the market. And recent studies have shown they're no more effective than placebo for treating depression. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...not-take-ssris. And yet, physicians dish them out like candy. And once again, another positive correlation between the rise of SSRI prescriptions and mass shootings.

- This is probably the opinion you'll disagree with, but considering all the above, I think it is prudent to enact stricter gun control. The above factors have seemed to create a decline in our collective society's responsibility and trustworthiness, so to continue with 1940s gun control laws in the face of that doesn't make sense, at least until we get the above sociological factors sorted out. A troubled individual like Cruz should not have been able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 like he was ordering a cheeseburger. Again, no bans, confiscation, just more vetting. Minimum age 21 and you're required to undergo a licensing procedure like when driving a car. Since mandatory mental health checkups can seem a bit draconian, maybe a mandatory renewal of your license every 2 years should be put into the books. I also think a tiered licensing structure makes sense. Class A, B, C. If you want to own something like an AR-15, I think you first need to prove yourself a responsible "Class A" (shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers) gun owner for a couple of years before you graduate to a higher class license. Automobile licenses are structured similarly.

Interesting.

We have a poster who can think.
Welcome.
And imagine this.
He is older than most of us...I think.

Family structure with Mom & Dad actually living happily together can solve some others listed I would think.

[SpursforSix]

Anyone have any ideas or theories as to why in the 70 years post ww2 in this age of automatic weaponry why this is a relatively new age phenomenon? I know I blame it on the breakdown of social cohesion.

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[Chris]

[Mark Celibate]

There's never a single "magic bullet" answer. But I believe we can blame a few elements of modern (American) life (since the 1980s, which is when mass/school shootings started increasing to uncomfortable frequencies) that could possibly explain the epidemic.

- As noted earlier by myself and a few others, mental health treatment in the country is terrible. To demonstrate how much society "cares" about mental health treatment, it costs 75K per year here in California (in tax dollars) to house an inmate (who is more than likely a non-violent offender and suffering from a mental health issue like addiction). In comparison, only 160 dollars are ear marked per capita for mental health treatment. See this list here on how much each state spends per capita: http://www.governing.com/gov-data/he...-by-state.html. And the nationwide average to house inmates is 33K per year.

Furthermore, I don't see it as a surprise correlation that the mass shooting epidemic started in the 1980s after Reagan signed the Omnibus Act, which considerably slashed mental health care funding. And henceforth, the majority (if not all) states enacted a 72 hour hold provision in lieu of in-patient ins utional commitment (the former is obviously much cheaper).

- 24 hours news cycle. Disillusioned, potentially violent people looking for a way to "get back" at society are notorious copycats. I grew up in the 80s, and never once saw a report about a mass shooting (despite there being many of them). CNN was only on cable, so there wasn't any channels that would cover a breaking story such as a mass shooting 24/7. The most coverage an incident like that would get would be a quick segment on the local 10 'o clock news (unless of course the incident was local to the area). So in those days, a brooding, unstable misanthrope ostensibly had less access to "inspirational ideas" and/or would receive much less coverage of his act (a typical trait of mass shooters is they want their act to be remembered). Today, a mass shooter is basically turned into a quasi-celebrity via the endless amount of news websites and channels, and for copycats, there's no shortage of "heroes," who are now household names, to emulate.

- Highest divorce rate in US history, single parent households at an all-time high. Not the best environment to rear children, and I'm not surprised there's a correlation (and epidemic divorce started in the 1980s).

- Echoing point 1, I think anti-depressants and other behavioral altering psychotropic drugs could play a role. Even though these drugs have been around for decades, we still really don't know the full range of their side-effects or efficacy. SSRIs never endured a comprehensive clinical trial before they were rushed out into the market. And recent studies have shown they're no more effective than placebo for treating depression. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...not-take-ssris. And yet, physicians dish them out like candy. And once again, another positive correlation between the rise of SSRI prescriptions and mass shootings.

- This is probably the opinion you'll disagree with, but considering all the above, I think it is prudent to enact stricter gun control. The above factors have seemed to create a decline in our collective society's responsibility and trustworthiness, so to continue with 1940s gun control laws in the face of that doesn't make sense, at least until we get the above sociological factors sorted out. A troubled individual like Cruz should not have been able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 like he was ordering a cheeseburger. Again, no bans, confiscation, just more vetting. Minimum age 21 and you're required to undergo a licensing procedure like when driving a car. Since mandatory mental health checkups can seem a bit draconian, maybe a mandatory renewal of your license every 2 years should be put into the books. I also think a tiered licensing structure makes sense. Class A, B, C. If you want to own something like an AR-15, I think you first need to prove yourself a responsible "Class A" (shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers) gun owner for a couple of years before you graduate to a higher class license. Automobile licenses are structured similarly.

That’s a pretty well thought out post as far as ST goes, a lot of that is fleshing out my simply put “breakdown of social cohesion.”

Selfish, instant gratification culture tells us to believe in quick fix solutions such as pills to solve our problems. I have seen the studies on SSRIs and do believe that they increase the propensity towards violence in an already ill individual while doing nothing to address the actual causes of the illness itself. Psychiatric care would be a nice pie in the sky utopian fix but for a country that’s bankrupt and can’t even afford to provide its citizens healthcare good luck getting that one through a gridlocked congress.

Sensationalist news coverage for the consumption of mass society and an erosion of morality in glorifying these criminals are also to blame. Morality in general has been on then decline ever since everything became relative and negotiable. For this we can thank critical theory brought to us by the Frankfurt school and their sociologists And psychiatrists. For them our culture was evil and had to be torn down completely before it could be built back up to their liking, and nothing of the old trusty moral code was beyond questioning.

Their handy work has led to a complete loss of cultural confidence. Since it was all done by design I disagree about draconian gun control proposals “while we figure this out” because I don’t believe they’ll ever want to put America back like it was, they want to put the nail in its coffin and have something else born out of its ruin.

[monosylab1k]

How many guns did Obama take away from citizens?

[Chris]

[Chris]

How many guns did Obama take away from citizens?

Obama opened up his yapper today. We're not talking about his tenure.

[monosylab1k]

Obama opened up his yapper today. We're not talking about his tenure.

The cartoon you posted was made when Obama was in office, you . How many guns did he take away?

[Chris]

The cartoon you posted was made when Obama was in office, you . How many guns did he take away?

Congress blocked his ass

[Mark Celibate]

You won’t get intellectual dishonesty out of the left chris. We all know what obama would do if he were emperor. He pointed to Australia as a gun control success story. Remember Australia underwent complete gun confiscation so draw your conclusions.

[Chris]

You won’t get intellectual dishonesty out of the left chris. We all know what obama would do if he were emperor. He pointed to Australia as a gun control success story. Remember Australia underwent complete gun confiscation so draw your conclusions.

The bans wouldn't have stopped with just assault weapons. Imagine the precedent that would have been set. Part of the reason a new assault weapons ban didn’t gain traction in Congress under Obama was because the prior assault weapons ban, from 1994 to 2004, didn’t stop violent incidents like mass shootings. The IntraTec TEC-DC9 was on the banned list and was among the weapons confiscated at Columbine.

[DMX7]

Congress blocked his ass

So he took away no guns then, huh, Chris? Nice.

[djohn2oo8]

So he took away no guns then, huh, Chris? Nice.

[Chris]

So he took away no guns then, huh, Chris? Nice.

Yeah good thing Congress blocked his Radical Socialist ass. Harold Washington's prodigy.

[Isitjustme?]

Have you heard about the wonders of reverse mortgages? It just may be the solution for you

[monosylab1k]

So he took away no guns then, huh, Chris? Nice.

[monosylab1k]

The bans wouldn't have stopped with just assault weapons. Imagine the precedent that would have been set. Part of the reason a new assault weapons ban didn’t gain traction in Congress under Obama was because the prior assault weapons ban, from 1994 to 2004, didn’t stop violent incidents like mass shootings. The IntraTec TEC-DC9 was on the banned list and was among the weapons confiscated at Columbine.

“ imagine what Obama would have done if he was an emperor and not a president ”

Now you dumbasses are criticizing Obama for his fictional alternate reality decisions.