School shooting: Parkland, Florida

[vy65]

I dont think that was his point. I think it's largely ineffective when its a societal issue.

Fair enough. But I think the inverse could be said too. That's why you need to couple both together -- which may have been his point.

[Chris]

VERY FAKE NEWS

BIZARRE VIDEO: Anti-Trump FBI Brat Seems to Rehearse Scripted Responses with CNN for School Shooting TV Interview

Normally, a news crew or reporter asks you questions and you answer. It’s live. There are no second and third takes.

Anything else is scripted and the players involved are actors.

Simple.

You can cut the irony with a chainsaw it is so thick here.

The Deep State media strikes again.

The kid who has been running his mouth about how Donald Trump and the GOP are teaming to help murder high school kids by upholding the Second Amendment is the son of an FBI agent.

David Hogg is a school shooting survivor in Florida. At least that is what the mainstream media has told us. We wouldn’t be surprised by anything involving the FBI at this point.

From Deep State CBS News:

“David Hogg was in school when the Parkland, Florida, shooting started. His father is a retired FBI agent, so he recognized immediately that this was a gun. Here’s what he did:”

And while the media allowed Hogg to adorn us with his worldly teen views on the Cons ution, they conveniently left out the part where the FBI was warned that the Florida school shooter had promised to shoot up a school — at least twice — long before the massacre that killed 17 students last week.

If Hogg knew the shooter would snap — as he and other students have professed — perhaps he could have told his father about it.

Oh but wait, his father was in the FBI.

It would not have mattered anyway.

That’s the funny thing about the limelight, kid.

Often the lights can come crashing down on your head.

VIDEO LINK:https://rumble.com/v4fodp-anti-trump...ses-lines.html

https://truepundit.com/bizarre-video...-tv-interview/

[TeyshaBlue]

*Edit. that was for vy. Not inverse boutons.*

[spurraider21]

Yeah. Nobody wants to touch this post because you can't legislate a solution nao!

it's a lot of passing the buck

[Blake]

What? That you're a got? That's what I thought too. At least we can agree on that.

Real Christian talk

[Trill Clinton]

Shut up got.

chill

[TeyshaBlue]

it's a lot of passing the buck

Not following you here. Care to elaborate?

[spurraider21]

chris triggered when people younger than him are able to articulate their opinions in full sentences instead of relying on tweets and memes

[Chris]

chris triggered when people younger than him are able to articulate their opinions in full sentences instead of relying on tweets and memes

Yeah, go climb a wall of s is so articulate! Love the sentence structure. Dummy

[Pavlov]

Chris climbing det wall of s as ordered.

[vy65]

[spurraider21]

Not following you here. Care to elaborate?

i don't think there are rational people who disagree with the notion that gun legislation won't solve everything involving gun violence. there are other issues. 24 hour news cycle. mental instability. the ability to purchase guns illegally even if outlawed. areas that are soft targets (ie schools) not having adequate security.

some of those things we can control more easily than others. but to just go on a rant about how gun control legislation won't cure the problem and therefore its a waste of time (the implication of his post, imo) is just making an excuse for inactivity.

i mean a parallel (not to start a whole different discussion, but more so to draw a comparison) is the fact that both the sun and greenhouse gas contribute to our warning. saying "we cant control the sun, so there's no point trying to fix the issue" is ludicrous, since there is a side we CAN address

[TeyshaBlue]

I do not want to see your browser history.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, go climb a wall of s is so articulate! Love the sentence structure. Dummy

referring to the kid in your link, chrisbot

[vy65]

hahahaha ... I dieded for your sins on this one TB

[TeyshaBlue]

i don't think there are rational people who disagree with the notion that gun legislation won't solve everything involving gun violence. there are other issues. 24 hour news cycle. mental instability. the ability to purchase guns illegally even if outlawed. areas that are soft targets (ie schools) not having adequate security.

some of those things we can control more easily than others. but to just go on a rant about how gun control legislation won't cure the problem and therefore its a waste of time (the implication of his post, imo) is just making an excuse for inactivity.

i mean a parallel (not to start a whole different discussion, but more so to draw a comparison) is the fact that both the sun and greenhouse gas contribute to our warning. saying "we cant control the sun, so there's no point trying to fix the issue" is ludicrous, since there is a side we CAN address

I don't think that it's excusing inactivity. I think it's more along the lines that it just doesn't address the core issue rather it only addresses symptoms. I could be completely off though. It's been known to happen lol.

[Blake]

The only thing worse would be dudes attached

[TeyshaBlue]

hahahaha ... I dieded for your sins on this one TB

You're a giver, vy.

[Chris]

referring to the kid in your link, chrisbot

So I'm triggered when the kid in MY link can articulate his opinion. You're not making any sense.

[spurraider21]

I don't think that it's excusing inactivity. I think it's more along the lines that it just doesn't address the core issue rather it only addresses symptoms. I could be completely off though. It's been known to happen lol.

i dunno. to me it just reeks of people going out of their way to discuss every facet of gun violence (and more specifically, mass shootings) outside of the common denominator.

i mean, when car crash fatalities were rising, we didnt throw up our hands and say "well people are going to be bad drivers"... we made cars safer, we adjust speed limits, we made seat belts mandatory, etc.

you could argue being thrown out of your vehicle was just a symptom of bad driving, but that doesn't mean mandating seat belts didn't prevent fatalities

[vy65]

You're a giver, vy.

Considering the subject matter, it's better than being the receiver .... or was that the joke? did I just state the obvious?

[spurraider21]

So I'm triggered when the kid in MY link can articulate his opinion. You're not making any sense.

you're right, i don't think the link you posted made any sense. just seemed like you were triggered because some kid had anti-trump opinions and was able to articulate his opinion in complete sentences rather than memes and tweets

[Chris]

you're right, i don't think the link you posted made any sense.

What confused you about the link, and why am I triggered?

[TeyshaBlue]

i dunno. to me it just reeks of people going out of their way to discuss every facet of gun violence (and more specifically, mass shootings) outside of the common denominator.

i mean, when car crash fatalities were rising, we didnt throw up our hands and say "well people are going to be bad drivers"... we made cars safer, we adjust speed limits, we made seat belts mandatory, etc.

you could argue being thrown out of your vehicle was just a symptom of bad driving, but that doesn't mean mandating seat belts didn't prevent fatalities

Very good metaphor and, I agree. I'm looking too close at the core problem, imo, and loosing sight of the edges.

[TSA]

Background checks become more stringent and do that "something" people are mistaking as a quick fix solution to rectify this issue. Then a kid, whom the background checks can't do anything from preventing, takes a parent's weapon from home and this happens again, maybe few less casualties because more automatic killing machines get banned, but what happens when this happens again after the background checks and potential bans happen?

It's foolhardy to think that background checks on adults will stem the issue of children getting access to guns and committing these crimes. A few less people die, great, but problem not solved.

When do we start to indict ourselves as a society? These are atrocities that have increased in alarming rates the last 20-30 years. Society, regardless of anyone's particular feelings, has shifted in values and morals and because of the volume increase, it's truly, and sadly, a "sign of the times". When do we start to blame the culture and the social structure of the culture that is begetting this many mass murderers at such young ages?

I think it naive to believe stronger background checks and banning military grade killing machines will prevent school shootings beyond decreasing the number of casualties on average. I empathize with the anger, my brother was murdered by gunfire, but the real answer is something the generation perpetrating these crimes probably isn't wired to accept and they're incapable of understanding.

What if there were serious gun controls?

After the Las Vegas murders, Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) urged Congress to “take a stand against gun violence by passing common-sense gun safety laws.” On Monday, after the mass murder in Texas, he wrote, “A simple idea: Anyone convicted of domestic abuse should see their rights under the 2nd Amendment severely curtailed.” On Tuesday, Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) announced that he and Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) are writing a bill “to prevent anyone convicted of domestic violence — be it in criminal or military court — from buying a gun.

In the spirit of these proposals, here are some ideas for tough federal gun laws — most of which should have been enacted years ago.

For people convicted of domestic violence, even a misdemeanor, how about a lifetime prohibition on firearms possession?

Further, a government license should be required for anyone who wants to manufacture, import, or sell firearms. The license should be mandatory not only for formal businesses, but also for individuals who make repe ive transactions for the purpose of profit. This would cover people at gun shows who put up signs declaring themselves to be “unlicensed dealers.” Anyone who engages in the firearms business without a federal license should be punished by up to five years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine.
Manufacturers, importers, and dealers who are granted a federal license should have to keep meticulous records of every transaction. Their records and inventory should be subject to warrantless, random inspections by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). If a license-holder goes out of business, all the records of past sales should be delivered to the ATF.

Before a gun store can sell a firearm to an ordinary citizen, the citizen should have to get government approval. This should apply not only to storefront sales, but also if the retailer rents a table at a gun show. As for the Internet, retailers can be allowed to advertise there, but the actual transfer of a firearm should only be allowed at the retailer’s place of business.

The purchaser should be required to answer dozens of questions certifying her background information. It is important that the government know the purchaser’s race, and whether or not she is Hispanic. Before the sale is consummated, the Federal Bureau of Investigation or a state counterpart ought to be contacted for a background check on the purchaser.

Any customer who purchases two or more handguns in a week should be automatically flagged and reported to the federal government and to local law enforcement.

Every handgun manufacturer should require handgun buyers to purchase a safe storage device for every handgun. Even if the buyer owns a gun safe, the buyer should always be forced to buy a separate locking device.

Of course, licensed manufacturers should have to put a serial number on every firearm. If someone alters or obliterates a serial number, the person should face five years imprisonment.

Felons should be forever prohibited from owning guns. They should never be allowed to hold a gun in their hands for even a few seconds. The lifetime prohibition should include non-violent felons who have been law-abiding for decades; anyone who was convicted of marijuana possession in 1971 should be presumed to be a continuing menace to society.

A lifetime prohibition should also apply to anyone who has ever been committed to a mental ins ution. Mental illness is not necessarily permanent, but the ban should be.

Patients prescribed medical marijuana should be banned, even in states where such use is legal. In fact, all medical marijuana cardholders should be automatically banned, regardless of whether they are current users.

Current federal gun laws provide a statutory procedure for prohibited persons to pe ion the ATF for a restoration of rights. For example, ATF would have discretion to restore the Second Amendment rights of a non-violent felon who has been law-abiding for many years. Congress should enact appropriations riders to prevent ATF from considering such pe ions.

Only persons over 21 should be able to purchase a handgun at a gun store. That 18-to-20-year-olds defend our country with automatic weapons overseas does not mean that they can be trusted with handguns within our country. A similar law should bar rifle or shotgun purchases by persons who are under 18.

Assault rifles must be virtually banned. These, according to the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, are “short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power.” For example, the Russian AK-47 or the American M-16 rifles. No civilian should be able to transfer or possess any assault rifle that was not already in circulation by 1986.

Any of the older assault rifles in citizen hands should be registered with the government. If someone wants to acquire one, both the buyer and seller should have to file an application with the ATF. The tax for a transfer should be $200, to discourage ownership. In the application, the ATF should require fingerprints and two recent photographs. Local law enforcement should be notified. The FBI should conduct a background investigation, and the registration process should take months.

If the purchaser is permitted to acquire the assault rifle, she should be required to maintain records proving that the rifle is registered, and notify the government of any change in address. To take the assault rifle out of state, the owner should need written permission from ATF in advance.

Assault rifles are one type of automatic firearm, but there are many other types of automatics. All of them should be controlled just as strictly as assault rifles. A violation of the stringent laws on these guns should be a felony with up to 10 years imprisonment—and much longer in cases of multiple violations.

http://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-...un-controls%3F