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    Kawhi has become that girlfriend who starts making excuses about being busy every Friday and Saturday night. Sooner or later you stop calling and go another direction....And that's what she wants....
    To add to that, the girl is a 10 and the Spurs are the ugly dude.

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    To add to that, the girl is 10 and the Spurs are the ugly dude.
    Um... the girl is "a 10" or "10"? that changes what we're talking about a lot here.

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    Um... the girl is "a 10" or "10"? that changes what we're talking about a lot here.
    Damn phone. Fixed it, thanks.

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    Damn phone. Fixed it, thanks.

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    To add to that, the girl is a 9( who probably won't age well) full of issues and the Spurs had done better in the past.
    Fixed

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    Talking heads begin to take this....



    CC said LMA was not a top FA. As I recall he was the biggest name of that year. Spin, spin, spin....

    If we accept their assumption that it is about shoe deal money and that money can only be found in a major market, then heaven help the small market teams keep their best players. I don't buy it, but that is their essential argument. If it were a new shoe deal he was after, missing the playoffs won't help you get a bigger deal.


    And nice job misspelling "Gregg"
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    Still a fan until he leaves tbh. He could possibly be hurt. Nobody knows his body better than himself. Just have to wait and see what happens.
    Why cant he comment on his injury then? A small update coming from his mouth would work wonders

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    Talking heads begin to take this....



    CC said LMA was not a top FA. As I recall he was the biggest name of that year. Spin, spin, spin....

    If we accept their assumption that it is about shoe deal money and that money can only be found in a major market, then heaven help the small market teams keep their best players. I don't buy it, but that is their essential argument. If it were a new shoe deal he was after, missing the playoffs won't help you get a bigger deal.


    And nice job misspelling "Gregg"
    That was just silly He was the biggest of that summer.

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    As some of us accepted a while ago, this was inevitable. Even in the highly unlikely event all of the rumors are untrue and he ends up extending at some point, I've lost a lost of respect for him with the way he's handled this. Not only not addressing it himself at some point, but barely even being present at games or practices.

    If they haven't already, the league should be conducting an independent investigation in an attempt to get to the bottom of this. They should have a vested interest in finding out what's going on with one of their premier players and whether he does in fact want out from what's regarded as their premier organization.

    The optics, particularly to casual fan (most of whom probably don't know the grisly details of last off season or the outlook going forward and just remember another 60 win season, trip to the WCF and 25 point lead, on the road, in game 1 vs prohibitive favorites), would be awful, if of all organizations, this one can't retain their own superstar.

    As of now, the only thing that would bring out my empathy would be if he is truly suffering from some form of internal anxiety that the naggingness of this type of injury would cause to someone. Otherwise, his reputation has taken a major hit and it would be the most disgraceful quitting a star player has done on a team in recent memory. Even career me-first like Bryant and supposed divas like Aldridge stuck it out longer and handled their discontent in far more professional manner.

    You would think this guy getting paid millions of dollars should have a couple of PR handlers by his side who would write a statement for his stuttering ass or ask for media availability to set the record straight?

    if he can't bring himself to realize how much this saga has gotten out of hand, then he got some serious issues of judgment. The way Pop went out publicly yesterday, essentially calling for him to sack-up and play, was a major shift in how they are handling his situation. I think he addressed his teammates before talking to the media to the effect that they are moved on from him and expect no cavalry for the rest of the season-- nearly two months before the start of the playoffs-- that's how fedup they are with his act.
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    Season was more than likely lost anyhow.

    I think he's got his eye on next season as his main target since he'll be playing for another big contract.

    If there are further complications with this condition next season, it may very well be career threatening. If not, and he returns to form, I believe things will smooth over between Kawhi and the FO since most problems between players and management are usuall kept "in house".

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    As some of us accepted a while ago, this was inevitable. Even in the highly unlikely event all of the rumors are untrue and he ends up extending at some point, I've lost a lost of respect for him with the way he's handled this. Not only not addressing it himself at some point, but barely even being present at games or practices.

    If they haven't already, the league should be conducting an independent investigation in an attempt to get to the bottom of this. They should have a vested interest in finding out what's going on with one of their premier players and whether he does in fact want out from what's regarded as their premier organization.

    The optics, particularly to casual fan (most of whom probably don't know the grisly details of last off season or the outlook going forward and just remember another 60 win season, trip to the WCF and 25 point lead, on the road, in game 1 vs prohibitive favorites), would be awful, if of all organizations, this one can't retain their own superstar.
    Very strong post.

    Agree 100%.

    This Leonard saga has to do with more than just the injury. Like I've said before, his Uncle does want him in LA and hasn't helped the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs at all.

    I'm still holding out some hope things can change, but as of now the writing is on the wall. It's only a matter of time.
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    Season was more than likely lost anyhow.

    I think he's got his eye on next season as his main target since he'll be playing for another big contract.

    If there are further complications with this condition next season, it may very well be career threatening. If not, and he returns to form, I believe things will smooth over between Kawhi and the FO since most problems between players and management are usuall kept "in house".
    Pretty much this. If he is actually still experiencing pain, it's not a good sign that it cannot be found on any scans. Degenerative issue will always be about how to manage pain.

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    More time to talk about social justice and planets /Pop

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    Does Kawhi mama still live in SAT, or has she bolted to Cali?

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    Talking heads begin to take this....



    CC said LMA was not a top FA. As I recall he was the biggest name of that year. Spin, spin, spin....

    If we accept their assumption that it is about shoe deal money and that money can only be found in a major market, then heaven help the small market teams keep their best players. I don't buy it, but that is their essential argument. If it were a new shoe deal he was after, missing the playoffs won't help you get a bigger deal.


    And nice job misspelling "Gregg"
    @ Cris Carter saying LMA was "not one of the top free agents" smh

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    @ Cris Carter saying LMA was "not one of the top free agents" smh
    He's one of the idiots who gave us the horrible "catch" rule in the NFL. If he doesn't even know his own game, no way he should be commenting on NBA. He's out of his element.

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    Manu and Pop telling it like it is. From this moment on it will be all about enjoying Manu while I can. This coming summer will tell the tale on Kawhi. He takes the supermax or not.

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    As an aside, if Pop and Buford can rectify this situation in the off season and secure the franchise's future by retaining Leonard long term, think that will expedite Pop's retirement from coaching (he'll probably stay on in some capacity) because he'll know they'll be left in a relatively good place. For a coach who's been fortunate to live a utopian existence and never had to deal with the real NBA, the past year had to have been a shock to the system (in addition to Duncan's retirement). He's too old for this .

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    As an aside, if Pop and Buford can rectify this situation in the off season and secure the franchise's future by retaining Leonard long term, think that will expedite Pop's retirement from coaching (he'll probably stay on in some capacity) because he'll know they'll be left in a relatively good place. For a coach who's been fortunate to live a utopian existence and never had to deal with the real NBA, the past year had to have been a shock to the system (in addition to Duncan's retirement). He's too old for this .
    Agreed.

    And I know a lot of people can't read on this forum, and take the " His Uncle wants him to go to LA thread" as, "Kawhi is leaving and going to LA and there's no chance at him re-signing with the Spurs". I still think there's a small chance things get rectified and I hope they do, however I'm not too optimistic.

    TD: Do you think the future coach is currently a coach right now on the Spurs bench? If so, who? If not, who?

    My rankings of probability for the future Spurs coach vacancy:

    1. Udoka
    2. Borrego
    3. Becky

    With Messina being the head assistant.

    I'll be surprised if they were to go outside the organization tbh..
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    if he can't bring himself to realize how much this saga has gotten out of hand, then he got some serious issues of judgment. The way Pop went out publicly yesterday, essentially calling for him to sack-up and play, was a major shift in how they are handling his situation. I think he addressed his teammates before talking to the media to the effect that they are moved on from him and expect no cavalry for the rest of the season-- nearly two months before the start of the playoffs-- that's how fedup they are with his act.
    Not a revelation or anything, but Woj essentially echoed my thoughts on this..

    The comments by Gregg Popovich to the media that Kawhi Leonard could miss the remainder of the season despite being medically cleared to play signalled a shift in how the Spurs are handling the situation.

    "When Pop came out sort of that first media availability on Wednesday after All-Star break, and it was described to me as people who know Pop very well, that they felt he was speaking to an audience of one in that availability. That he was talking directly to Kawhi," said Adrian Wojnarowski on The Woj Pod.
    "It has created an incredible amount of stress around the organization, front office, coaching staff, teammates. I think Pop was talking to the players the other day (as well)."
    https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...nect-Right-Now

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    Im waiting for “in a shocking turn of events Kawhi has informed Pop that he is indeed ready to play and will debut in one week. This is a dramatic turnout on the heels of Pop’s comments that he would be surprised if Kawhi returned this season”

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    Im waiting for “in a shocking turn of events Kawhi has informed Pop that he is indeed ready to play and will debut in one week. This is a dramatic turnout on the heels of Pop’s comments that he would be surprised if Kawhi returned this season”
    You know it's gonna happen

    Kawhi wants to play. And I doubt he wants to test Pop and wait too much longer

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    He could clear this up and answer these questions. He hasn't done that," said Wojnarowski. "That's part of some of the issues here. He's not communicative. That's been something since the very beginning. Maybe he's gotten a little better in that area, but he's a person who is just private, shy. Even with his teammates, doesn't say much. With his coach. I think that's contributed to this because I don't know if he expresses always what he might be at odds with or what the issue is, but there's no question there is a tremendous disconnect between (Kawhi) and the team right now."

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    Been saying this from day 1.

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