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    Hard to imagine thinking you're on the right side of the argument if you're on the same side that's calling the Parkland kids crisis actors.

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    Oh hey, look who learned to use Google. Did you ever figure out what a Harvest Box is?

    It's also common courtesy to copy paste the link you got the info from, thx.......because a 5 year old article from a college newspaper just might not be the most accurate source of info
    Silly me. When irl I have a conversation I don't feel the need to Google or ask to Google anything unless someone disputes it. You asked an honest (so you say) question that did not pertain to my reply. Still not sure why you were asking me to Google something I was not talking about.



    Your also the guy disputing someone else's post here. How about you look it up?

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    Trying to progress this "discussion" a bit further...

    Say, hypothetically, we get military grade killing weapons banned, and even more, we get current owners to surrender these mass murder devices so there are so none of these automatic weapons are an issue. What's the next step?

    How do we keep the mass murderers this generation and these times are creating from doing this as often as they are? A sick minded kid or perp of older age is becoming more and more frequent and it isn't because access to guns is easier, so what's the next step in preventing Johnny Crazy from grabbing a handgun, a couple of clips and still picking off 5, 10, 15 scared people trying to run away?

    I just want to know what the full plan is. Great, we do the impossible and get mass murder weapons we blame taken off the market. The next step is preventing the creation of so many mass murderers and this is something I see not even being mentioned and it's more important to me as you can't say "do something!" when most people's "something" isn't going to solve the root issue. I know it's a difficult question, but what comes after the proposed tougher background checks and gun bans that don't prevent underage mass murders from doing what they do whatsoever?

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    "I’ve been shot in combat. And as a veteran, I’m telling you: allowing teachers to be armed is an asinine idea

    "After the most recent school shooting, this time at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, where a 19-year old gunman was charged with killing 17 people, debate flows freely, yet again, on how to best prevent these tragedies from ever happening. Anyone with a heart can surely agree this is the overall goal. The morning after the shooting, NC State Representative Larry Pittman (R-Cabarrus County) stated that he wants to work with police to train and allow teachers to carry guns in attempt to limit the death and destruction caused during a school shooting.

    “We have to get over this useless hysteria about guns and allow school personnel to have a chance to defend their lives and those of their students,” Pittman said during a meeting of the Joint Legislative Emergency Management Oversight Committee, as reported by the News & Observer.

    Defending children is a must, but putting a firearm in the hands of even the most trained teacher isn’t the answer. Anyone suggesting this solution has clearly never experienced a situation like the one seen in Parkland because it oversimplifies the complexity of an active shooter situation, especially in close-quarters. It is not as easy as a “good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.”

    I ask that you take a few minutes to understand my perspective and why I feel strongly about this matter. Before recently moving to Charlotte, I served for three and half years as an Army infantryman, stationed at Fort Wainwright in Fairbanks, Alaska, and I deployed to Afghanistan’s Kandahar Province in 2011. By the time my tour was over, I left a place that claimed two members from my company, cost six others at least one limb, wounded over 25 percent of our total force, and left me with shrapnel in my face and a bullet hole in my left thigh. When I saw the news flash of another school shooting I couldn’t help but think of the firefights I had been involved in and how these students and teachers just encountered their own version of Afghanistan.

    Make no mistake, the fear and chaos they faced is no different than what my fellow soldiers and I faced in Afghanistan—a fear and chaos that I still remember like it happened yesterday.

    “Martin! MARTIN!” is still audible in my mind six and half years later. I turned and saw three members of my platoon pinned down in the field behind me. Their screams still clear as day, as they called for help. A routine patrol in the Panjwa’i District had turned into an ambush, with us taking fire from three enemy positions, some as close as 20 yards (the distance of a pitcher’s mound to home plate). I, along with some of my fellow soldiers, began to return suppressive fire. Just as the first man safely reached us, the feeling of Arnold Schwarzenegger swinging a sledgehammer into my leg rushed over my body. That’s what being shot by a high-powered assault rifle felt like to me.

    ...

    Now, I share this story not to draw attention to my actions during this firefight or as a condemnation of the medic. I simply want to illustrate how even the best trained members of the military react differently when bullets start flying. Someone shooting at you, specifically trying to kill you, is probably the most terrifying life event a person could ever experience.

    Regardless of training, you don’t know how people will respond in life and death situations until the moment comes. You don’t know how people will react when they hear gunshots. You don’t know how people will react when the person next to them is shot. You don’t know how a person will respond when their task is shooting someone they know or taught. You just don’t know.

    And now we are expecting teachers, even with training, to perfectly handle this situation. I say perfectly because anything less could mean even more tragedy and death. This isn’t a movie where bullets always miss the hero. These teachers aren’t action stars. These are average people, who more likely than not, have never come close to experiencing anything like this."

    ...

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    https://www.charlottefive.com/arming-teachers/

    Worth clicking the link to read the whole thing.

    Expecting people who spend 99.999% of their lives educating to be effective infantry in the middle of a sudden unexpected situation is asinine.

    Trumps ed "it will deter" people is even dumber as most people who commit to these crimes WANT to ing kill themselves and very often do.

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    Just curious, how often
    https://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2013/fa...ps-statistics/

    According to the study mentioned in this article about 10% of all officer homicides.


    The results were published this spring in the journal Injury Prevention. The study revealed information that surprised Swedler. First, an overwhelming number of the officers—93 percent—died from gunshots. "We expected guns to be commonly used," Swedler says, "but we thought that homicides would be perpetrated by other means as well. We were really surprised by that 93 percent." In 10 percent of cases, officers were shot with their own guns. In 43 percent of the homicides, the victims were working alone, often responding to domestic disturbance calls. "They would arrive on the scene and they would be ambushed and they weren't prepared," Swedler says.

    Reading all the accounts of officers walking into their deaths was "incredibly depressing," Swedler says. One narrative began, "On April 15 at approximately 17:15, a 29-year-old patrol officer was fatally wounded when he responded to a domestic disturbance call. The officer . . . was the first officer on the scene. Exiting his vehicle, the officer walked to a small one-story house, approached the porch, and was immediately hit by a single round to the chest."

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    CNN ATTACKS High School Shooting Survivor; Calls ROTC Hero Who Shielded Students From Gunfire a LIAR (Video)



    he 17-year-old Junior ROTC hero who used Kevlar sheets to shield students from the gunfire during last week’s mass shooting that killed 17 people at the Parkland school is now a liar, according to CNN.

    A Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student told Local 10 News that he declined an invitation to attend CNN’s town hall on the Parkland school shooting after he was given scripted questions.

    “CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions, and it ended up being all scripted,” junior Colton Haab said Wednesday night.

    Haab wrote questions about school safety and suggested using veterans as security guards, but he claims CNN wanted him to ask scripted questions instead.

    So, Haab said, he declined to participate.

    “I don’t think that it’s going to get anything accomplished,” Haab said. “It’s not going to ask the true questions that all the parents and teachers and students have.”

    CNN refuted Haab’s claim Thursday morning.

    “There is absolutely no truth to this,” CNN said in a statement posted to its communications page on Twitter. “CNN did not provide or script questions for anyone in last night’s town hall, nor have we ever.”

    Disgraceful.




    https://truepundit.com/cnn-attacks-h...re-liar-video/

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    CNN ATTACKS High School Shooting Survivor; Calls ROTC Hero Who Shielded Students From Gunfire a LIAR (Video)
    lol "ATTACKS"

    Snowflake talk.

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    How many guns do you own?

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    How many guns do you own?
    Irrelevant and none of your business tbh.

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    Irrelevant and none of your business tbh.
    So none.

    Chris

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    I can't find him on Medium anymore.

    Do you know what happened?

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    I can't find him on Medium anymore.

    Do you know what happened?
    muh Medium who even uses that?

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    muh Medium who even uses that?
    Jack Posobiec

    At least he did until the unplesantness.

    lol Posobiec

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    Jack Posobiec

    At least he did until the unplesantness.

    lol Posobiec
    Conservative censorship and demonetization so funny.

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    Conservative censorship and demonetization so funny.
    censorship

    You snowflakes don't even know basic word definitions.

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    What more was there to cover in Sutherland Springs, Chris?

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    What more was there to cover in Sutherland Springs, Chris?
    You hate it when anyone shines a light on your selective outrage.

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    so who were the southerland springs crisis actors?

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    You hate it when anyone shines a light on your selective outrage.
    What more was there to cover in Sutherland Springs, Chris?


    so who were the southerland springs crisis actors?

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    so who were the southerland springs crisis actors?
    None. They couldn't push a gun ban on this one, so had to move along. Nothing to see here.

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    None. They couldn't push a gun ban on this one, so had to move along. Nothing to see here.
    so who were the crisis actors in vegas?

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    "spent about one tenth the amount of coverage on Sutherland Springs compared to Parkland"

    as usual, mentally crippled Chris quotes a LIAR.

    the protesting kids nationwide are creating more coverage, not the media.

    gun-fellatin, so-called pro-life Christians, who didn't protest Sutherland Springs, don't really give a if one of their churches is shot to .

    After any and all cases of American gun slaughters, BigGun/NRA will continue unstoppably to dictate gun policy to protect BigGun profits, through their owned political s.




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