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    "Do Your Own Research" -- WC

    try "cagle delta nra"
    Mang oh mang.
    I wanted to read exactly the same article. Hint on publication?

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    Mang oh mang.
    I wanted to read exactly the same article. Hint on publication?
    it's all over the media, take your pick.

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    If they are too scared, then they are no worse off than they were before (unarmed). Arm any staff who is WILLING - I'm not saying to force anyone. But I'd rather have some weapon than nothing at all - how about you?
    I would rather have no weapon at all.

    Jeez. This idea just won't ing die.

    You seem to think it isn't a idea, so fine, let me drag you through the critical thinking process, which I guarantee you haven't done yet.

    How much money do you want to spend per school district? What part of the school budget do you cut to pay for this?

    Where do these hypothetical guns get kept? My wife has 180 students in and out of her class every day.

    What happens when a teacher feels threatened and shoots an unarmed student? Who pays?

    How are you going to pay for the liability insurance? Specifically what tax are you going to raise? What other part of the budget will you cut if you don't want to raise taxes for it?

    This is just for starters. Get back with me, unless you suddenly have a fit of rational clarity and think it through.

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    So, open carry so you're ready to kill at any time? Or keep it concealed? In a locked drawer?

    How's this going to work?
    Just give em a gun and let em go Charles Bronson when the time comes. Who cares about details, get those guns manufactured and sold ASAP!

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    EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: At Active Shooter Training, Broward Sheriff Israel Instructs People to ‘Run and Hide’; Says Department is ‘A Defensive’ Unit that Doesn’t ‘Attack’


    A video has surfaced from a Broward County Sheriff’s active shooter training session where Sheriff Scott Israel instructs a room full of citizens, police officers and SWAT members to run and hide when faced with an active shooter.

    Israel also claimed during the training session that his officers were trained to put themselves last in an active shooter scenario, although his officers certainly put themselves first based on the events of the Feb. 14 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. In addition to the students injured, 17 students were gunned down and killed while sheriff’s officers refused to enter the school.

    But his officers did run and hide. They got that part down. As many as four officers refused to enter the school while the shooter was inside.

    Israel earlier this week said it wasn’t his responsibility if officers didn’t have the courage to enter the building. Perhaps some of those officers were in the room when Israel instructed people to run and hide.

    Israel, on the video, also stresses his department is not offensive. They are defensive, he stresses. They don’t “attack,” he said.

    Does that mean you are told to not charge into a building to subdue an active shooter?

    Sure sounds like it.

    Since when are police defensive when innocent lives are at stake?

    We’re not sure where Israel received his training but it sure sounds and appears like he is in the wrong profession.

    And it is quite likely people have died because of it.

    Israel’s ‘defensive’ department has a history of mistakes and standing down during mass shootings.

    In the wake of the Parkland, Florida shooting earlier this month, numerous students and lawmakers have called on Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel to resign over his inaction as leader of the law enforcement department.

    According to The Daily Caller, Israel has a history of failure when it comes to responding to crisis situations, including a 2017 shooting at the Fort Lauderdale Airport.

    A 99-page report drafted by department officials admitted the agency mishandled that shooting, adding that the department failed to take control of the shooting area, where chaos ensued and the suspect killed five people and injured six others.

    https://truepundit.com/exclusive-vid...doesnt-attack/

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    I would rather have no weapon at all.

    Jeez. This idea just won't ing die.

    You seem to think it isn't a idea, so fine, let me drag you through the critical thinking process, which I guarantee you haven't done yet.

    How much money do you want to spend per school district? What part of the school budget do you cut to pay for this?

    Where do these hypothetical guns get kept? My wife has 180 students in and out of her class every day.

    What happens when a teacher feels threatened and shoots an unarmed student? Who pays?

    How are you going to pay for the liability insurance? Specifically what tax are you going to raise? What other part of the budget will you cut if you don't want to raise taxes for it?

    This is just for starters. Get back with me, unless you suddenly have a fit of rational clarity and think it through.
    The idea of forcing teachers to handle weapons, issuing service pistols, deputizing them, or even sending them to training on the school district's dime are all stupid suggestions I've read multiple times.

    That said, if teachers are already CCW holders and chose to carry on campus or have a firearm locked in a safe, I would have no issue with that. There are many many concealed weapon holders out in the public and they aren't getting into gun fights in the streets because they feel threatened. Most see it as an absolute last resort as well as a huge responsibility they are taking on.

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    So Trump disagrees.

    He would go in head first.

    Glad that's cleared up.
    So Israel basically trains the officer to wait until the shooter is no longer active and has shot everyone.
    Then capture the terrorist alive and interview for possible terrorist ties?
    Thats a plan, man.

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    The idea of forcing teachers to handle weapons, issuing service pistols, deputizing them, or even sending them to training on the school district's dime are all stupid suggestions I've read multiple times.

    That said, if teachers are already CCW holders and chose to carry on campus or have a firearm locked in a safe, I would have no issue with that. There are many many concealed weapon holders out in the public and they aren't getting into gun fights in the streets because they feel threatened. Most see it as an absolute last resort as well as a huge responsibility they are taking on.
    Please link to anyone who is for FORCING teachers to handle weapons.

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    Please link to anyone who is for FORCING teachers to handle weapons.
    He says to arm 20% of teachers in a school. What happens if 0% want to be armed?

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    This dude is toast. I hope they throw the book at him.


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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/shooting-...213024427.html

    So the dad of that Trump kid admits he doctored the emails used to discredit CNN. Of course the damage is done and nothing will happen to that piece of .

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    mono defending CNN

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    There's never a single "magic bullet" answer. But I believe we can blame a few elements of modern (American) life (since the 1980s, which is when mass/school shootings started increasing to uncomfortable frequencies) that could possibly explain the epidemic.

    - As noted earlier by myself and a few others, mental health treatment in the country is terrible. To demonstrate how much society "cares" about mental health treatment, it costs 75K per year here in California (in tax dollars) to house an inmate (who is more than likely a non-violent offender and suffering from a mental health issue like addiction). In comparison, only 160 dollars are ear marked per capita for mental health treatment. See this list here on how much each state spends per capita: http://www.governing.com/gov-data/he...-by-state.html. And the nationwide average to house inmates is 33K per year.

    Furthermore, I don't see it as a surprise correlation that the mass shooting epidemic started in the 1980s after Reagan signed the Omnibus Act, which considerably slashed mental health care funding. And henceforth, the majority (if not all) states enacted a 72 hour hold provision in lieu of in-patient ins utional commitment (the former is obviously much cheaper).

    - 24 hours news cycle. Disillusioned, potentially violent people looking for a way to "get back" at society are notorious copycats. I grew up in the 80s, and never once saw a report about a mass shooting (despite there being many of them). CNN was only on cable, so there wasn't any channels that would cover a breaking story such as a mass shooting 24/7. The most coverage an incident like that would get would be a quick segment on the local 10 'o clock news (unless of course the incident was local to the area). So in those days, a brooding, unstable misanthrope ostensibly had less access to "inspirational ideas" and/or would receive much less coverage of his act (a typical trait of mass shooters is they want their act to be remembered). Today, a mass shooter is basically turned into a quasi-celebrity via the endless amount of news websites and channels, and for copycats, there's no shortage of "heroes," who are now household names, to emulate.

    - Highest divorce rate in US history, single parent households at an all-time high. Not the best environment to rear children, and I'm not surprised there's a correlation (and epidemic divorce started in the 1980s).

    - Echoing point 1, I think anti-depressants and other behavioral altering psychotropic drugs could play a role. Even though these drugs have been around for decades, we still really don't know the full range of their side-effects or efficacy. SSRIs never endured a comprehensive clinical trial before they were rushed out into the market. And recent studies have shown they're no more effective than placebo for treating depression. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...not-take-ssris. And yet, physicians dish them out like candy. And once again, another positive correlation between the rise of SSRI prescriptions and mass shootings.

    - This is probably the opinion you'll disagree with, but considering all the above, I think it is prudent to enact stricter gun control. The above factors have seemed to create a decline in our collective society's responsibility and trustworthiness, so to continue with 1940s gun control laws in the face of that doesn't make sense, at least until we get the above sociological factors sorted out. A troubled individual like Cruz should not have been able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 like he was ordering a cheeseburger. Again, no bans, confiscation, just more vetting. Minimum age 21 and you're required to undergo a licensing procedure like when driving a car. Since mandatory mental health checkups can seem a bit draconian, maybe a mandatory renewal of your license every 2 years should be put into the books. I also think a tiered licensing structure makes sense. Class A, B, C. If you want to own something like an AR-15, I think you first need to prove yourself a responsible "Class A" (shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers) gun owner for a couple of years before you graduate to a higher class license. Automobile licenses are structured similarly.
    Agree with everything you've said in this thread aside from parts of the mental illness argument. SSRI's have been proven by thousands of studies to be more effective than placebo's & are handed out (maybe too readily as you said) in other countries readily as well. In fact, the most effective treatment in depression & anxiety is CBT combined with SSRIs, which is where the problem may lie. Here you are en led to counselling sessions free of charge, I'm not sure that is the case over there. Millions of people suffer from depression/anxiety disorders (myself included at various points) but you still have to be unhinged (either extremely angry & disillusioned with the world or suffering from delusions/hallucinations like schizophrenics often do) to carry out these sort of acts. I don't think it's right to lump people who have suffered from episodes of depression or anxiety disorders or both, which are fairly loosely diagnosed according to DSM-IV criteria (or even bipolar) in the same category as people who have Schizophrenia. I do however, strongly agree that just handing out medication to people without therapy as well is not a good thing. It makes sense that a lot of these people may have had these disorders & prescribed medication because people who are angry & disillusioned with the world often hate themselves as well - which is again, why counselling is so important.

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    Kids are dead and Chris got jokes.

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    mono defending CNN
    Defend away.
    WithFOX as well.
    Thats purposely trying to keep people from examining the real deal.

    Which apparently is a foreign concept for the Trumpworld population.
    Flat out lying has become okay with you as well?

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    The assault rifle / high capacity / bump stock horses have already escaped the barn.

    Stopping any more sales, production is useless, unless combined with regulating all that are already out there.

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    The assault rifle / high capacity / bump stock horses have already escaped the barn.

    Stopping any more sales, production is useless, unless combined with regulating all that are already out there.
    Gotta start somewhere. Stores coming out to self regulate because politicians won't do it.

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    Gotta start somewhere. Stores coming out to self regulate because politicians won't do it.
    How many 1000s, or 10,000s, of semi-automatic, high-capacity weapons are already out there and will be staying out there?

    300M+ guns in USA, cops losing many 1000s of their own guns every year.

    America's gun violence crisis will continue forever, America is a violence- and death-mongering culture, both domestically and internationally, as BigGun and its distribution network pays politicians to keep the profits rolling in.

    BigGun is hurting now, but if the Dems overwhelm in Nov, and/or elect a Dem Pres in 2020 (who will confiscate all guns like Obama did), BigGun's crisis will end and Happy Days Are Here Again.

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    Kids are dead and Chris got jokes.
    Chump pretending to be solemn and retrospective will surely stop those dang school shootings.

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    Chump pretending to be solemn and retrospective will surely stop those dang school shootings.
    CC a true role model and example of self righteousness after his negro hating rampage.

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