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    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...ump-Appointees

    In comparing scandals by administration, first I had to decide what cons uted a scandal. How many were genuine problems versus those artificially hyped by opposition parties. Benghazi? Whitewater? Travelgate?

    Even when someone was forced to resign over a scandal, how much of that was politically motivated rather than a criminal issue, like Joycelyn Elders’ masturbation comments or Shirley Sherrod’s firing over what turned out to be a doctored video?

    I ultimately relied on Wikipedia’s list of federal political scandals in the U.S., but limited it to only the executive branch scandals that actually resulted in a criminal indictment. I also decided to only go back as far as Richard Nixon, whose participation in Watergate ultimately resulted in him being the only sitting president to ever resign. This lets many other scandal-ridden administrations off the hook—notably that of Warren Harding and the Teapot Dome scandal, and of Ulysses S. Grant and the Whiskey Ring and Black Friday scandals—but so be it.

    The chart below only includes people who served in the administration, and excludes others (like members of Congress and private individuals) who may have also been swept up and indicted for the same scandal. The “Convictions” list includes both those who went to trial and were found guilty as well as those who plea bargained and pleaded guilty. The “Prison Sentences” should be considered a minimum figure, as Wikipedia's list wasn’t always clear on penalties and I wasn’t able to look all of the unclear ones up.

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    He goes into great length as to methodology. Not perfect, but a really really good start.

    It checks out for the most part.

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    Really good reading that.

    A warning to the Trump administration
    Donald Trump’s nominees are already in danger. Trump already has a reputation for deliberately fostering conflicts and rivalries among his subordinates. Somehow he survived despite this behavior in the boardroom, and naturally thrived on it in his reality television career—many viewers turn in to see conflict, not cooperation. But in the White House, it will be a disaster. Enemies will seek to undermine their rivals, and that will mean leaks, investigations (by journalists if Congress shirks its duty), and potential criminal indictments even if the Justice Department turns a blind eye. (Not just one but two of Nixon’s attorneys general ended up going to jail, so a compliant Department of Justice isn’t protection.)

    Trump’s own potential conflicts are too numerous to list, and while the president is exempt from some conflicts of interest laws, it’s not a blanket immunity, especially for things in the Cons ution like the Emoluments Clause. (How many of us had even heard of that clause before this election? I only knew of it vaguely as a prohibition of elected officials to accept les of Nobility while still in office—Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush’s British knighthoods came after they left office and Dwight Eisenhower’s were awarded before he became president for his leadership in World War II, for which he nevertheless needed congressional authorization at the time since he was still serving in the military.)

    But as I mentioned before, his nominees are at great personal risk if their nominations are rushed through before FBI or Office of Government Ethics review. A conflict that is revealed after they take office could result in criminal indictments. And while President Trump could pardon them for criminal violations (but not civil acts), that only applies to federal charges, not those filed under other state laws, should there be any. And how many pardons can he issue before his own support erodes? Yes, some of his most rabid supporters won’t care (but still want to seek criminal charges against Democrats who didn’t even commit any crimes). But his winning edge in the states that pushed him over the Electoral College top came from a lot of undecided voters who broke for him in the final week (or eleven days, specifically) but won’t stay loyal if scandals grow. (Already, “voted for you Trump“ on Twitter reveals a lot of his disgruntled voters telling him they voted for him but want him to stop tweeting, vet his nominees with proper ethics review, address the Russian hacking issue, and other expressions of disappointment.)

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    his methodology is treating the wikipedia list as exhaustive tbh

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    his methodology is treating the wikipedia list as exhaustive tbh
    My thoughts exactly. It isn't and that is a pretty big flaw.

    Wiki will have the larger scandals though, and is likely to be fairly close to a working number that might be revealed by a more exhaustive search.

    That actual working number would have to be off by a LOT to skew that in a way that the obvious trend noted there, i.e. Republican administrations always have more criminality, to be reversed or obviated.

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    Trump president, not Hillary you stupid mother er. That makes his automatically more important.

    If, that is, you care about the country more than you do a political party, which I do not think you do.
    This thread is about Uranium One. Try to stay on topic please.

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    This thread is about Uranium One. Try to stay on topic please.
    Why is Uranium One important again? Why should we care?

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    Why is Uranium One important again? Why should we care?
    If you don’t care don’t post ITT...unless you want to continue on whataboutisming

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    If you don’t care don’t post ITT...unless you want to continue on whataboutisming
    You didn't answer his questions though.

    Why is Uranium One important again? Why should we care?

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    So Chum, you arent the least bit curious of what the Russians bought for 150 million?
    "Officials in at least four countries have privately discussed ways they can manipulate Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, by taking advantage of his complex business arrangements, financial difficulties, and lack of foreign policy experience, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports on the matter.

    Among those nations discussing ways to influence Kushner to their advantage were the United Arab Emirates, China, Israel and Mexico, the current and former officials said."

    But no, conflicts of interest are only important for Democrats, right?

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    If you don’t care don’t post ITT...unless you want to continue on whataboutisming
    I love talking about conflicts of interest.

    Uranium One made up scandal is about a conflict of interest as far as I can tell. whether your stupid ass can wrap your flea brain around that, Trump is orders of magnitude worse.

    So maybe you can answer the critical thinking question straight:

    Why is "Uranium One" scandal important? What makes is scandalous. Do tell, stupid mother er.

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    What about Kushner?!

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    You didn't answer his questions though.

    Why is Uranium One important again? Why should we care?
    Sessions revived the probe of Uranium One. No one is telling you to care or forcing you to post ITT.

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    What about Kushner?!
    Why is Uranium One a scandal, mother er?
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 02-28-2018 at 05:55 PM. Reason: commas are important.

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    Sessions revived the probe of Uranium One. No one is telling you to care or forcing you to post ITT.
    Sessions is investigating whether to investigate.

    You didn't answer his questions though.

    Why is Uranium One important again? Why should we care?

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    I love talking about conflicts of interest.

    Uranium One made up scandal is about a conflict of interest as far as I can tell. whether your stupid ass can wrap your flea brain around that, Trump is orders of magnitude worse.

    So maybe you can answer the critical thinking question straight:

    Why is "Uranium One" scandal important? What makes is scandalous. Do tell, stupid mother er.
    not quite sure but thinking mueller is some sort of beacon of justice and truth is akin to being another good little sheep. tout your masters around and hold them up on their gold pedestals!

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    not quite sure but thinking mueller is some sort of beacon of justice and truth is akin to being another good little sheep. tout your masters around and hold them up on their gold pedestals!
    What have you got against Mueller?

    Be specific.

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    not quite sure but thinking mueller is some sort of beacon of justice and truth is akin to being another good little sheep. tout your masters around and hold them up on their gold pedestals!
    Speaking of stupid mother ers.

    Why is Uranium One a scandal again? What makes it bad. Be specific, if you can string together enough syllables.

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    Why is Uranium One a scandal, mother er?
    I'll throw you a couple of bones.


    Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court do ents show.

    They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by do ents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

    Rather than bring immediate charges in 2010, however, the Department of Justice (DOJ) continued investigating the matter for nearly four more years, essentially leaving the American public and Congress in the dark about Russian nuclear corruption on U.S. soil during a period when the Obama administration made two major decisions benefiting Putin’s commercial nuclear ambitions.
    The investigation was ultimately supervised by then-U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, an Obama appointee who now serves as President Trump’s deputy attorney general, and then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, now the deputy FBI director under Trump, Justice Department do ents show.

    Both men now play a key role in the current investigation into possible, but still unproven, collusion between Russia and Donald Trump’s campaign during the 2016 election cycle. McCabe is under congressional and Justice Department inspector general investigation in connection with money his wife’s Virginia state Senate campaign accepted in 2015 from now-Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe at a time when McAuliffe was reportedly under investigation by the FBI.

    The connections to the current Russia case are many. The Mikerin probe began in 2009 when Robert Mueller, now the special counsel in charge of the Trump case, was still FBI director. And it ended in late 2015 under the direction of then-FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump fired earlier this year.


    Since you asked so nicely.

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    I love talking about conflicts of interest.

    Uranium One made up scandal is about a conflict of interest as far as I can tell. whether your stupid ass can wrap your flea brain around that, Trump is orders of magnitude worse.

    So maybe you can answer the critical thinking question straight:

    Why is "Uranium One" scandal important? What makes is scandalous. Do tell, stupid mother er.
    "An FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a “reset” in U.S.-Russian relations.

    The informant, Douglas Campbell, said in the statement obtained by The Hill that he was told by Russian nuclear executives that Moscow had hired the American lobbying firm APCO Worldwide specifically because it was in position to influence the Obama administration, and more specifically Hillary Clinton."


    "Campbell added in the testimony that Russian nuclear officials “told me at various times that they expected APCO to apply a portion of the $3 million annual lobbying fee it was receiving from the Russians to provide in-kind support for the Clintons' Global Initiative."

    “The contract called for four payments of $750,000 over twelve months. APCO was expected to give assistance free of charge to the Clinton Global Initiative as part of their effort to create a favorable environment to ensure the Obama administration made affirmative decisions on everything from Uranium One to the U.S.-Russia Civilian Nuclear Cooperation agreement."

    “In 2010, officials inside Tenex became interested in helping another Rosatom subsidiary, ARMZ, win Obama administration approval to purchase Uranium One, a Canadian company with massive Kazakh and large U.S. uranium assets,” Campbell said. “Although Tenex and ARMZ are separate subsidiaries, Tenex had its own interest in Uranium One. Tenex would become responsible for finding commercial markets and revenue for those uranium assets once they were mined."

    “The emails and do ents I intercepted during 2010 made clear that Rosatom’s purchase of Uranium One — for both its Kazakh and American assets — was part of Russia’s geopolitical strategy to gain leverage in global energy markets,” he testified. “I obtained do entary proof that Tenex was helping Rosatom win CFIUS approval, including an October 6, 2010 email … asking me specifically to help overcome opposition to the Uranium One deal.”


    “Tenex continues to supply Iran fuel through their Russian company,” Campbell wrote in that 2010 do ent obtained by The Hill, naming the specific company that was being used to help. “They continue to assist with construction consult [sic] and fabricated assemblies to supply the reactor. Fabricated assemblies require sophisticated engineering and are arranged inside the reactor with the help and consult” of Russians.

    “The final fabricators to Iran are being flown by Russian air transport due to the sensitive nature of the equipment,” his 2010 memo to the FBI added.

    Campbell told lawmakers he also gave the FBI “do entary proof that officials in Moscow were obtaining restricted copies of IAEA compliance reports on Iranian nuclear inspections, a discovery that appeared to deeply concern my handlers.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...s-in-testimony


    Any more questions you lazy ass mother er?

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    Since you asked so nicely.
    You are too kind

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    Speaking of stupid mother ers.

    Why is Uranium One a scandal again? What makes it bad. Be specific, if you can string together enough syllables.
    yall haven't quite grasped my political outlook yet have yall? it's fun watching yall guess at what i stand for and against though. very entertaining to say the least.

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    yall haven't quite grasped my political outlook yet have yall? it's fun watching yall guess at what i stand for and against though. very entertaining to say the least.
    yeah, its a real head scratcher, joey.

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    Why is Uranium One a scandal again? What makes it bad. Be specific, if you can string together enough syllables

    yall haven't quite grasped my political outlook yet have yall? it's fun watching yall guess at what i stand for and against though. very entertaining to say the least.
    So no, you have no idea what the thread is about. Too many syllables.

    Sorry I can't write it in simple words with crayons for you.

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    yeah, its a real head scratcher, joey.
    Dude is vastly overestimating himself. Donning Kruger in a nuts . Bet you a solid beer that he thinks he is above average.

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