Mountaintop Monastery of Dejounte Murray

[duncan2k5]

While I agree with the overall sentiment - the kid is only 21 and is learning and getting better and has a lot of potential - the bolded just isn't true. Compare to TP's playoffs last year (higher intensity, better compe ion, money time): 15.9 ppg on 52.6 FG%% , 3.1 assist, 2.5 reb, and 1.5 TOV. And Tony's much better at running the offence. I think dejounte can get there, but he hasn't yet.

U clearly forgot how wildly inconsistent Tony was on offense (including a game with zero stats)... And how horrendous he was on defense

[MaNu4Tres]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/2...ejounte-murray




The problem with Murray isn't his upside or even improvement, in a vacuum. It's what I've long said: In order to get back into championship contention, they need him to become a star and they need him to do so before Aldridge is no longer one. You can never be sure at Aldridge's age, but as we've discussed, he could conceivably maintain that status into his mid 30s, which would give Murray 2-3 more seasons.

We should know what Spurs and Leonard's answer to this question is this off season. Considering they conceivably have the pieces for a Walker trade, if we don't hear of them at least pursuing it, we'll know where they stand. If/when they offer Leonard the super max, if he signs without them trading for Walker, we'll know where he stands.

I think they can get back to championship contention without Murray needing to be an All star, only if Kawhi comes back to being himself again and the relationship gets resolved. With LA, Kyle, Green, Murray all making significant leaps this year -- that helps a lot. Warriors are more vulnerable than people think with their lack of depth. A lot of the role guys they relied on heavily have regressed this year (Liv, Iggy). If Spurs can't get it together mentally and physically and Warriors go on to play the Rockets, I like the Rockets in a 7 game series.

[exstatic]

I think they can get back to championship contention without Murray needing to be an All star, only if Kawhi comes back to being himself again and the relationship gets resolved. With LA, Kyle, Green, Murray all making significant leaps this year -- that helps a lot. Warriors are more vulnerable than people think with their lack of depth. A lot of the role guys they relied on heavily have regressed this year (Liv, Iggy). If Spurs can't get it together mentally and physically and Warriors go on to play the Rockets, I like the Rockets in a 7 game series.

I wouldn’t count on Green being here next year. When you fire your long time agent, and hire rocnation, you’re looking to get paid. PATFO were surprised last time that he gave them the discount that he did. He’s not going to do that again.

[SAGirl]

I think they can get back to championship contention without Murray needing to be an All star, only if Kawhi comes back to being himself again and the relationship gets resolved. With LA, Kyle, Green, Murray all making significant leaps this year -- that helps a lot. Warriors are more vulnerable than people think with their lack of depth. A lot of the role guys they relied on heavily have regressed this year (Liv, Iggy). If Spurs can't get it together mentally and physically and Warriors go on to play the Rockets, I like the Rockets in a 7 game series.

Well said

That stat is amazing considering this team has had multiple all stars and HOF players share the court over the many years, and it's not just for the Spurs, that's for the entire league ever.

Sure something like a single TO can screw up the stat from any pairing you can refer to, but that's a sign of great playmaking, BBIQ, unselfish play and defensive effort. I hope Kawhi is encouraged by the development from his teammates. That has to motivate him to come back more than anything else.

[emanueldavidginobili]

On a lighter note the kid is looking better and better and that three he hit was huge.

[tholdren]

On a lighter note the kid is looking better and better and that three he hit was huge.

Lol mute

[objective]

His finishing around the rim still isn't great but it looks like to me eyes he's improving

[Ice009]

At least the kid has the balsl to not be afraid of taking and making an open 3 point shot with the game on the line.

[Mikeanaro]

He sucks, missed 2 important passes at the most important plays.

[duncan2k5]

He sucks, missed 2 important passes at the most important plays.

LOL...

[Mikeanaro]

LOL...

What? do you think he is the new face of the NBA or something?

[SAGirl]

At least someone is pissed off that they have been losing games. Damn.

[MaNu4Tres]

At least someone is pissed off that they have been losing games. Damn.

Id be frustrated too trying to go to war with Patty getting 37 minutes tbh .

[SPURt]

At least someone is pissed off that they have been losing games. Damn.

I was hoping after this game he'd walk straight over to Kawhi and slap the autism out of him. Then we'd all know we have a future leader on our hands.

[acoelho1]

Thank goodness spurstalk has no say in talent evaluation for the Spurs. Dejounte has star potential and I think he will get there based on what I've seen so far from him these past 2 years. He's tough as nails and has no fear of the moment. His physical tools are impressive.. that speed and length will be a problem for our opponents. However, his most important attribute is he wants to be great and combine that with him being a gym rat, it's just a matter of time in my opinion. His jumper already looks better than earlier in the year and he has shown better control of the offense. Give it some time and remember those on this forum who said Kawhi would never be a star or be a number one offensive option or he can't dribble through traffic.

[TheGreatYacht]

Thank goodness spurstalk has no say in talent evaluation for the Spurs. Dejounte has star potential and I think he will get there based on what I've seen so far from him these past 2 years. He's tough as nails and has no fear of the moment. His physical tools are impressive.. that speed and length will be a problem for our opponents. However, his most important attribute is he wants to be great and combine that with him being a gym rat, it's just a matter of time in my opinion. His jumper already looks better than earlier in the year and he has shown better control of the offense. Give it some time and remember those on this forum who said Kawhi would never be a star or be a number one offensive option or he can't dribble through traffic.

Yeah thank goodness PAT didn't listen to us and paid Gasol & Fatty. Thank goodness they passed up on multiple players to draft a 24yr old 5th string PG. Thank goodness they ignored us last year at the deadline and brought in Joel Anthony. Thank goodness they're about to pay Parker, Green, and Fathead this offseason. Thank goodness Kawhi won't sign the supermax and will crip walk to LA while we have culture.

[SAGirl]

Id be frustrated too trying to go to war with Patty getting 37 minutes tbh .

Breaks my heart for Murray. He's hungry.
Frankly I want the team to make the playoffs even if its as a low seed to get a whooping by GSW and/or the Rockettes bc I want the young guys to get the experience and to feed their hunger. One would think after how this season has gone, (as well as playoff performances for the last two years) that Paddy wouldn't be as high on the totem pole as he apparently is.

[duncan2k5]

If DJ was playing as bad at Patty, he wouldnt be getting much minutes...nevertheless heavy minutes while starting, and coming in during crunch time...dude is living off a reputation he barely had...when he was 50 pounds lighter...

We need to get rid of the short, unathletic, one dimensional guys on the team...

[rjv]

if the whole kawhi thing can get figured out and he is healthy going forward (both big uncertainties) the growth of dejounte would be a major asset to this team and would keep the spurs relevant.

[sasaint]

If DJ was playing as bad at Patty, he wouldnt be getting much minutes...nevertheless heavy minutes while starting, and coming in during crunch time...dude is living off a reputation he barely had...when he was 50 pounds lighter...

We need to get rid of the short, unathletic, one dimensional guys on the team...

No. Every one of them has a high BBIQ.

[SAGirl]

More from Murray... team's future leader?

I'd say he has the leadership mentality right now... sounds legit upset with TO and mistakes on defense...

going to be upset at some vets at this rate...

[sasaint]

At least someone is pissed off that they have been losing games. Damn.

Dijon and all of ST.

He definitely has the right mentality. If his skills catch up to the mentality, he will be excellent.

[SAGirl]

Dijon and all of ST.

I love that he has the guts to say stuff like this. I can't recall a quote of this kind from Kiwi, ever... maybe my memory is faulty.
http://www.kens5.com/video/sports/nb...ns/273-8023180

[sasaint]

I love that he has the guts to say stuff like this. I can't recall a quote of this kind from Kiwi, ever... maybe my memory is faulty.
http://www.kens5.com/video/sports/nb...ns/273-8023180

Next season he could be pretty special.

[SAGirl]

Actually to hear him talk about how strong his desire is to win... makes me more upset that they are losing... what a conundrum.