Mountaintop Monastery of Dejounte Murray

[sasaint]

Actually to hear him talk about how strong his desire is to win... makes me more upset that they are losing... what a conundrum.

Actually this is fairly analogous to the '96-97 season. DRob was shelved for the latter stages of the season, and we landed Timmy in the draft. We just had an even worse team with a worse record then. But this late in the season, I think we should do what we can to get a high pick. We have too much chaff and not enough wheat on the current roster. Winnowing is absolutely necessary. And we need some real NBA players instead.

I am flummoxed by DWhite's treatment. We have way too many PGs and PG prospects. Hopefully that will change next season. What that means for Tony, Patty and DWhite, I shudder to think. More poor choices incoming I suspect.

I liked Blossomgame in college, and I have been encouraged by what little I have seen of him in Austin. I hope he can contribute next season.

But we still need more NBA-caliber athletes.

[SAGirl]

Actually this is fairly analogous to the '96-97 season. DRob was shelved for the latter stages of the season, and we landed Timmy in the draft. We just had an even worse team with a worse record then. But this late in the season, I think we should do what we can to get a high pick. We have too much chaff and not enough wheat on the current roster. Winnowing is absolutely necessary. And we need some real NBA players instead.

I am flummoxed by DWhite's treatment. We have way too many PGs and PG prospects. Hopefully that will change next season. What that means for Tony, Patty and DWhite, I shudder to think. More poor choices incoming I suspect.

I liked Blossomgame in college, and I have been encouraged by what little I have seen of him in Austin. I hope he can contribute next season.

But we still need more NBA-caliber athletes.

White is clearly getting the rook treatment that DJ got last season. i am not saying he's a star or anything, but White has shown competent play for a roleplayer in the few minutes I have seen him. He certainly hasn't had 5 TO in a game yet. He played 27 minutes on the road against GSW and this is what he did:

Derrick White	27:41	3	8	.375	0	2	.000	5	6	.833	1	6	7	2	1	0	0	1	11

Didn't exactly have a good game shooting the ball but he drew fouls... resulting on 7 rebounds, 2 assists 1 steals and 11 points.

Jeff McDonald is with you about the tank:

there's not going to be a Timmy D resulting from this season... but we shall see what happens. I still prefer they make they playoffs, but if they don't I hope they get someone who can help in this draft... has to be someone with size... hopefully.

[MaNu4Tres]

White is clearly getting the rook treatment that DJ got last season. i am not saying he's a star or anything, but White has shown competent play for a roleplayer in the few minutes I have seen him. He certainly hasn't had 5 TO in a game yet. He played 27 minutes on the road against GSW and this is what he did:

White is all around the better player than Patty and Tony right now. He's just getting the bs rookie treatment he gave Splitter, Murray, and Simmons. He'll be a solid two way guard off the bench. I see him as Manu's replacement if he hangs it up after this year.

In the upcoming draft and offseason, Spurs need to move on from Tony or Patty or both, shop Gasol around, and draft DeAndre Hunter, Zhaire Smith or Mitc Robinson.

[sasaint]

White is clearly getting the rook treatment that DJ got last season. i am not saying he's a star or anything, but White has shown competent play for a roleplayer in the few minutes I have seen him. He certainly hasn't had 5 TO in a game yet. He played 27 minutes on the road against GSW and this is what he did:

Derrick White	27:41	3	8	.375	0	2	.000	5	6	.833	1	6	7	2	1	0	0	1	11

Didn't exactly have a good game shooting the ball but he drew fouls... resulting on 7 rebounds, 2 assists 1 steals and 11 points.

Jeff McDonald is with you about the tank:

there's not going to be a Timmy D resulting from this season... but we shall see what happens. I still prefer they make they playoffs, but if they don't I hope they get someone who can help in this draft... has to be someone with size... hopefully.

No. Size would disrupt my midget ball strategy.

[sasaint]

White is all around the better player than Patty and Tony right now. He's just getting the bs rookie treatment he gave Splitter, Murray, and Simmons. He'll be a solid two way guard off the bench. I see him as Manu's replacement if he hangs it up after this year.

In the upcoming draft and offseason, Spurs need to move on from Tony or Patty or both, shop Gasol around, and draft DeAndre Hunter, Zhaire Smith or Mitc Robinson.

Can you honestly see Pop making all of those roster changes?

[SAGirl]

Can you honestly see Pop making all of those roster changes?

All I know is, I saw them shop Danny, but hold on to Tony and Paddy tight, for dear life....

[sasaint]

All I know is, I saw them shop Danny, but hold on to Tony and Paddy tight, for dear life....

Further evidence of PATFO's great judgment.

[MaNu4Tres]

All I know is, I saw them shop Danny, but hold on to Tony and Paddy tight, for dear life....

We don't know that for sure though.

Marc Stein leaked the info regarding Clips/Spurs rumors -- but it was obvious the info was coming from the Clippers ( Stein has no ties w/ SA). My logic behind that info is that Clips purposefully leaked their high end asking price ( Danny Green +1st) to Stein to try to induce better offers from other teams hours before deadline was up. Spurs obviously said no though to the Clippers' high asking price.

I honestly think Patty was the guy Spurs preferred to move during the deadline because they targeted players on expired deals w/ Bradley/Belinelli. Outside of Green and Gay, Mills' salary is the only other salary that made sense -- plus he played at a position where there's redundancy.

I honestly think they love Patty, but a big reason why we are seeing him play 35 mpg now is to boost up his value heading into the summer. You can't honestly sit there and think they are playing him this many minutes because he's good, can you? Any person with a brain can see what a mistake it was to give him that deal, and how they should try to get rid of it to surround Kawhi, Murray, LA w/ better talent in upcoming summers.

[SAGirl]

We don't know that for sure though.

Marc Stein leaked the info regarding Clips/Spurs rumors -- but it was obvious the info was coming from the Clippers ( Stein has no ties w/ SA). My logic behind that info is that Clips purposefully leaked their high end asking price ( Danny Green +1st) to Stein to try to induce better offers from other teams hours before deadline was up. Spurs obviously said no though to the Clippers' high asking price.

I honestly think Patty was the guy Spurs preferred to move during the deadline because they targeted players on expired deals w/ Bradley/Belinelli. Outside of Green and Gay, Mills' salary is the only other salary that made sense -- plus he played at a position where there's redundancy.

I honestly think they love Patty, but a big reason why we are seeing him play 35 mpg now is to boost up his value heading into the summer. You can't honestly sit there and think they are playing him this many minutes because he's good, can you? Any person with a brain can see what a mistake it was to give him that deal, and how they should try to get rid of it to surround Kawhi, Murray, LA w/ better talent in upcoming summers.

I hope you are right. I don't see a purpose to their current actions. I was partly being cheeky with my comment. We have no rumor whatsoever Paddy was in trade talks, so it's easy to jump to a conclusion. But I do hope wholeheartedly you are right.

[TD 21]

I think they can get back to championship contention without Murray needing to be an All star, only if Kawhi comes back to being himself again and the relationship gets resolved. With LA, Kyle, Green, Murray all making significant leaps this year -- that helps a lot. Warriors are more vulnerable than people think with their lack of depth. A lot of the role guys they relied on heavily have regressed this year (Liv, Iggy). If Spurs can't get it together mentally and physically and Warriors go on to play the Rockets, I like the Rockets in a 7 game series.

Murray might not literally need to be an All-Star, but he needs to at least be of that caliber and relatively soon. Beyond that, is the archaic style. You just can't win a championship in this era with a heavy reliance on posts ups and mid rangers and so little 3-point shooting (2 of the high volume, above average ones, Bertans and Forbes, wouldn't be in a healthy rotation).

Agree that Warriors are more vulnerable this season, but I still don't buy that a healthy Spurs can beat them in a series and they probably can't beat Rockets, either.

Spurs' player development is always praised, but they've fallen behind the times. Raptors obviously don't have the same pedigree, but they've been one of the better teams the previous 4 seasons, yet were able to convince a bunch of established players to alter their games and because of that and their drafting/developing, they've gone to another level.

Can't see Mills' uptick in minutes having to do with shopping him. He's a known commodity and Spurs' mystique is gone. No one is going to be fooled into thinking him randomly playing an increased role on a banged up team being meaningful.

[sasaint]

Can't see Mills' uptick in minutes having to do with shopping him. He's a known commodity and Spurs' mystique is gone. No one is going to be fooled into thinking him randomly playing an increased role on a banged up team being meaningful.

[spurraider21]

Murray is #1 among all point guards in DRPM
Green is #3 among shooting guards
Kyle Anderson is #1 among small forwards (Kawhi is 6th in his limited time)

LMA has graded out surprisingly poorly, whereas pau is #13 among centers

[Ice009]

For the people thinking Mills is getting that much court time to showcase him for trade, how stupid do you guys think other teams are?

The only team/s I could see taking him are teams that want to tank. They could be watching thinking, wow, he'd be perfect to lead a tank job. lol, no-one who's trying to win games would want him.

Spurs ed up big time. It could cost them everything.

[sasaint]

For Mills getting that much court time, how stupid do you guys think other teams are?

The only team/s I could see taking him are teams that want to tank. They could be watching thinking, wow, he'd be perfect to lead a tank job. lol, no-one who's trying to win games would want him.

Spurs ed up big time. It could cost them everything.

It will cost them a first round draft pick or tie their hands for 3 years.

[tholdren]

Murray is #1 among all point guards in DRPM
Green is #3 among shooting guards
Kyle Anderson is #1 among small forwards (Kawhi is 6th in his limited time)

LMA has graded out surprisingly poorly, whereas pau is #13 among centers

Lol

[cd021]

Murray is #1 among all point guards in DRPM
Green is #3 among shooting guards
Kyle Anderson is #1 among small forwards (Kawhi is 6th in his limited time)

LMA has graded out surprisingly poorly, whereas pau is #13 among centers

First 3 makes plenty of sense tbh and Gasol has been significantly better than the turn style he was last season but Aldridge being low is surprising

[cd021]

We don't know that for sure though.

Marc Stein leaked the info regarding Clips/Spurs rumors -- but it was obvious the info was coming from the Clippers ( Stein has no ties w/ SA). My logic behind that info is that Clips purposefully leaked their high end asking price ( Danny Green +1st) to Stein to try to induce better offers from other teams hours before deadline was up. Spurs obviously said no though to the Clippers' high asking price.

I honestly think Patty was the guy Spurs preferred to move during the deadline because they targeted players on expired deals w/ Bradley/Belinelli. Outside of Green and Gay, Mills' salary is the only other salary that made sense -- plus he played at a position where there's redundancy.

I honestly think they love Patty, but a big reason why we are seeing him play 35 mpg now is to boost up his value heading into the summer. You can't honestly sit there and think they are playing him this many minutes because he's good, can you? Any person with a brain can see what a mistake it was to give him that deal, and how they should try to get rid of it to surround Kawhi, Murray, LA w/ better talent in upcoming summers.

I hope you are right. I don't see a purpose to their current actions. I was partly being cheeky with my comment. We have no rumor whatsoever Paddy was in trade talks, so it's easy to jump to a conclusion. But I do hope wholeheartedly you are right.

Stein said on Dunc'd On (after the deadline) that Green was the name that he heard, and that the Spurs weren't interested in giving up Green and a pick for Bradley.

He might have a heard counter offer from the Clippers with Green in place of Mills; technically what he reported - the Spurs and Clippers are discussing a deal for Avery Bradley in exchange for a 1st an Green was accurate even though the Spurs never were going to give up Green and a 1st for an inferior player.

[Dverde]

Stein said on Dunc'd On (after the deadline) that Green was the name that he heard, and that the Spurs weren't interested in giving up Green and a pick for Bradley.

He might have a heard counter offer from the Clippers with Green in place of Mills; technically what he reported - the Spurs and Clippers are discussing a deal for Avery Bradley in exchange for a 1st an Green was accurate even though the Spurs never were going to give up Green and a 1st for an inferior player.

I wouldn’t call Bradley inferior to Green. I think most would want Bradley with all things being equal. With his looming contract demands I see why the Spurs would balk at the draft pick request.

[Chinook]

I wouldn’t call Bradley inferior to Green.

I would, because he's been worse than Green at everything his whole career but having Youtube highlights.

[cd021]

It will cost them a first round draft pick or tie their hands for 3 years.

Pretty much,yeah. Maybe his deal has value in year four as a expiring but the Spurs don't normally move players on expiring deals.

If Kawhi takes the super max, then Kawhi, LMA, and Mills (the new big three ) will be making a combined $73.5 million in 2019-2020. Spurs could easily blow past the $131 estimated luxury tax number if the choose to resign Green, Gay, Bertans, and Anderson to multiyear deals. Murray will also an RFA that off season and his agent is Rich Paul, who is notorious trying to get his players max contracts (i.e. Thompson and Bledsoe)

[cd021]

I wouldn’t call Bradley inferior to Green. I think most would want Bradley with all things being equal. With his looming contract demands I see why the Spurs would balk at the draft pick request.

Defensively alone, Green is just a better player. He is both capable and comfortable guarding quick PGs, SGs, and can also guard bigger wing as well. Bradley can really only guard 1's and there is some question as to how good he is in team defense; also Bradley apparently wants something like $20 million a year, which isn't happening.

[Chinook]

Defensively alone, Green is just a better player. He is both capable and comfortable guarding quick PGs, SGs, and can also guard bigger wing as well. Bradley can really only guard 1's and there is some question as to how good he is in team defense; also Bradley apparently wants something like $20 million a year, which isn't happening.

Green's also a better shooter, passer and rebounder.

Whether your're talking about this year: https://www.basketball-reference.com...dlav01&y2=2018

Or over their careers: https://www.basketball-reference.com...dlav01&y2=2018

[MaNu4Tres]

Green's also a better shooter, passer and rebounder.

Whether your're talking about this year: https://www.basketball-reference.com...dlav01&y2=2018

Or over their careers: https://www.basketball-reference.com...dlav01&y2=2018

Green > Bradley > White > Patty

[Snaq O'Meal]

Bradley is just another midget. And we all know what the Warriors regularly do to the anuses of midgets.

[SAGirl]

Id be frustrated too trying to go to war with Patty getting 37 minutes tbh .