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    I don't recall saying much about any quotes you've posted from Burr. How many more fake news tweets do you plan on posting this week? You are on quite a roll.
    You're the one with the "i was wrong about Pizzagate" thread. By the time this is over you will have plenty of those types of threads

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    You're the one with the "i was wrong about Pizzagate" thread. By the time this is over you will have plenty of those types of threads
    While you still wait to be right once...

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    Where in the NYT article does it say that djohn?

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    Where in the NYT article does it say that djohn?
    Copies of the messages were originally submitted by Mr. Waldman to the Senate committee. In January, one of Mr. Nunes’s staff members requested that copies be shared with the House committee as well, according to a person familiar with the request who was not authorized to talk about it publicly. Days later, the messages were published by Fox News, the person said. Fox’s report said that it had obtained the do ents from a Republican source it did not name.

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    In a statement, a spokesman for Mr. Nunes, Jack Langer, did not dispute that the committee had leaked the messages, but called the premise of this article “absurd.”

    Poor TSA. Getting long ed yet again.

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    Remember when TSA said leaks bad after loving them for so long?

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    In a statement, a spokesman for Mr. Nunes, Jack Langer, did not dispute that the committee had leaked the messages, but called the premise of this article “absurd.”

    Poor TSA. Getting long ed yet again.
    Why didn't you include the actual statement from Langer?

    In a statement, a spokesman for Mr. Nunes, Jack Langer, did not dispute that the committee had leaked the messages, but called the premise of this article “absurd.”

    “The New York Times, a prominent purveyor of leaks, is highlighting anonymous sources leaking information that accuses Republicans of leaking information,” he said. “I’m not sure if this coverage could possibly get more absurd.”

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    Remember when TSA said leaks bad after loving them for so long?
    I surely do remember.

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    Why didn't you include the actual statement from Langer?

    In a statement, a spokesman for Mr. Nunes, Jack Langer, did not dispute that the committee had leaked the messages, but called the premise of this article “absurd.”

    “The New York Times, a prominent purveyor of leaks, is highlighting anonymous sources leaking information that accuses Republicans of leaking information,” he said. “I’m not sure if this coverage could possibly get more absurd.”
    Republican say leaks good, TSA say leaks good.

    Pattern clear.

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    Why didn't you include the actual statement from Langer?

    In a statement, a spokesman for Mr. Nunes, Jack Langer, did not dispute that the committee had leaked the messages, but called the premise of this article “absurd.”

    “The New York Times, a prominent purveyor of leaks, is highlighting anonymous sources leaking information that accuses Republicans of leaking information,” he said. “I’m not sure if this coverage could possibly get more absurd.”
    still a non-denial denial

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    A Foreign Power’s Recruitment Effort Is Not a Basis for a FISA Court Warrant

    The fact that a foreign power is trying to recruit an American to become an agent for that foreign power is not a sufficient basis to issue a surveillance warrant against the American under FISA. It would, of course, be sufficient to issue a warrant against the foreign spies who are making the recruitment efforts, but it is not enough for a warrant against the American citizen who is the target of the recruitment effort.

    To get a surveillance warrant under FISA (i.e., the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as codified at le 50, U.S. Code, Sections 1801 et seq.), the FBI and the Justice Department must establish probable cause that the person to be monitored under the warrant is acting as an active, purposeful agent of a foreign power — not that the foreign power hopes to turn him into such an agent.

    FISA defines “agent of a foreign power” — as that term is applicable to “U.S. persons” (i.e., American citizens and permanent-resident aliens) — as a person who:

    (A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, which activities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;

    (B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;

    (C) knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power;

    (D) knowingly enters the United States under a false or fraudulent iden y for or on behalf of a foreign power or, while in the United States, knowingly assumes a false or fraudulent iden y for or on behalf of a foreign power; or

    (E) knowingly aids or abets any person in the conduct of activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C) or knowingly conspires with any person to engage in activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C).

    (See Section 1801(b)(2)(A)-(E), emphasis added.)

    In light of the legal standard that applies, it is inconceivable that the FISA warrant would have issued in the absence of this uncorroborated hearsay allegation — which is exactly what FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe stated in December 2017 House Intelligence Committee testimony (a Nunes memo assertion (at p.3, para.4) that the Schiff memo does not attempt to rebut), and exactly what is reported in the Grassley-Graham memo (at p.2: “The bulk of the application consists of allegations against Page that were disclosed to the FBI by Mr. Steele and are also outlined in the Steele dossier”). Schiff may be right that there were several layers of information in the warrant application about what Russia was doing regarding the election and Russia’s efforts to recruit foreign agents — including Page. But specifically with respect to Page, who was targeted for surveillance and as to whom the government was legally required to show probable cause that he was a knowing, active agent of a foreign power, without the Sechin/Divyekin allegation, there could have been no basis for the warrant.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...e-interviewed/

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    interesting that you now like to use the actual US Code instead of relying on some interpretation by sundance

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    A Foreign Power’s Recruitment Effort Is Not a Basis for a FISA Court Warrant

    The fact that a foreign power is trying to recruit an American to become an agent for that foreign power is not a sufficient basis to issue a surveillance warrant against the American under FISA. It would, of course, be sufficient to issue a warrant against the foreign spies who are making the recruitment efforts, but it is not enough for a warrant against the American citizen who is the target of the recruitment effort.

    To get a surveillance warrant under FISA (i.e., the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as codified at le 50, U.S. Code, Sections 1801 et seq.), the FBI and the Justice Department must establish probable cause that the person to be monitored under the warrant is acting as an active, purposeful agent of a foreign power — not that the foreign power hopes to turn him into such an agent.

    FISA defines “agent of a foreign power” — as that term is applicable to “U.S. persons” (i.e., American citizens and permanent-resident aliens) — as a person who:

    (A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, which activities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;

    (B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;

    (C) knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power;

    (D) knowingly enters the United States under a false or fraudulent iden y for or on behalf of a foreign power or, while in the United States, knowingly assumes a false or fraudulent iden y for or on behalf of a foreign power; or

    (E) knowingly aids or abets any person in the conduct of activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C) or knowingly conspires with any person to engage in activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C).

    (See Section 1801(b)(2)(A)-(E), emphasis added.)

    In light of the legal standard that applies, it is inconceivable that the FISA warrant would have issued in the absence of this uncorroborated hearsay allegation — which is exactly what FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe stated in December 2017 House Intelligence Committee testimony (a Nunes memo assertion (at p.3, para.4) that the Schiff memo does not attempt to rebut), and exactly what is reported in the Grassley-Graham memo (at p.2: “The bulk of the application consists of allegations against Page that were disclosed to the FBI by Mr. Steele and are also outlined in the Steele dossier”). Schiff may be right that there were several layers of information in the warrant application about what Russia was doing regarding the election and Russia’s efforts to recruit foreign agents — including Page. But specifically with respect to Page, who was targeted for surveillance and as to whom the government was legally required to show probable cause that he was a knowing, active agent of a foreign power, without the Sechin/Divyekin allegation, there could have been no basis for the warrant.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...e-interviewed/
    So it was more than that.

    lol McCarthy

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    We weren't talking about Democrats or Republicans or Trump. We were talking about high ranking officials in the DOJ and FBI who are expected to conduct themselves with integrity, independence, objectivity, and commitment to the rule of law. Eight of these high ranking DOJ/FBI officials did not and you need someone to tell you why you should care. If you have to ask someone to convince you why the conduct of these DOJ/FBI officials is extremely concerning do you really care about the rule of law?
    If you only give a when Democrats are the ones doing something wrong, you don't really care about the rule of law. Period. Lie to yourself, but don't lie to me.

    I need to you to admit that you lie to yourself about giving a about government mismanagement or misdeeds. That's it.

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    dat nothingburger keeps bringing the goods

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    If you only give a when Democrats are the ones doing something wrong, you don't really care about the rule of law. Period. Lie to yourself, but don't lie to me.

    I need to you to admit that you lie to yourself about giving a about government mismanagement or misdeeds. That's it.
    The DOJ and FBI aren’t Democrats. You can keep deflecting or answer the question. Does it concern you that 8 top officials in the DOJ and FBI did not conduct themselves with integrity, independence, objectivity, and commitment to the rule of law?

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    The DOJ and FBI aren’t Democrats. You can keep deflecting or answer the question. Does it concern you that 8 top officials in the DOJ and FBI did not conduct themselves with integrity, independence, objectivity, and commitment to the rule of law?
    says who?

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    Ex-US attorney rips Trump’s ‘abject humiliation’ of Sessions: He sees the attorney general as ‘his personal lapdog’

    Harry Litman, a former U.S. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general, slammed Donald Trump’s relentless attacks on Jeff Sessions, calling it “de able” that the president views the attorney general of the United States as “his personal lapdog.”

    “How sad is it the president uses him as a punching bag when he was one of the earliest supporters, he was the first senator to climb onto Donald Trump’s campaign when nobody else would touch him?”

    “He’s been there for the president, he’s traveled with the president, and because he can’t oversee the [special counsel Robert] Mueller investigation or, in Donald Trump’s words, ‘protect him,’ … Because of that, he’s going to keep getting beat up by the president.”

    On the personal level—he’s one of the earliest, most loyal supporters, and he’s being savaged.

    And
    savaged by tweet, not personal conversation, which is totally schmucky of the president.
    It’s de able at the management level,

    but it’s really de able,

    this recurrent theme that

    the president of the United States views the nation’s chief law enforcement officer as his personal lapdog and

    the sort of pit bull to go after the rest of the body politic.”


    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/ex-...e+Raw+Story%29

    none of which concerns Deflector-in-Chief TSA and similar ilk in the least.



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    Here's a live look at TSA


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    Ex-US attorney rips Trump’s ‘abject humiliation’ of Sessions: He sees the attorney general as ‘his personal lapdog’

    Harry Litman, a former U.S. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general, slammed Donald Trump’s relentless attacks on Jeff Sessions, calling it “de able” that the president views the attorney general of the United States as “his personal lapdog.”

    “How sad is it the president uses him as a punching bag when he was one of the earliest supporters, he was the first senator to climb onto Donald Trump’s campaign when nobody else would touch him?”

    “He’s been there for the president, he’s traveled with the president, and because he can’t oversee the [special counsel Robert] Mueller investigation or, in Donald Trump’s words, ‘protect him,’ … Because of that, he’s going to keep getting beat up by the president.”

    On the personal level—he’s one of the earliest, most loyal supporters, and he’s being savaged.

    And
    savaged by tweet, not personal conversation, which is totally schmucky of the president.
    It’s de able at the management level,

    but it’s really de able,

    this recurrent theme that

    the president of the United States views the nation’s chief law enforcement officer as his personal lapdog and

    the sort of pit bull to go after the rest of the body politic.”


    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/ex-...e+Raw+Story%29

    none of which concerns Deflector-in-Chief TSA and similar ilk in the least.


    Because Trump said it the media will automatically rush to defend Horowitz and Sessions. When Horowitz releases his findings and recommends to Sessions to prosecute the media will have cornered themselves.

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    interesting that you now like to use the actual US Code instead of relying on some interpretation by sundance
    What do you think is going to happen Code Reader? We all know you don't anyone to interpret anything for you.

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    What do you think is going to happen Code Reader? We all know you don't anyone to interpret anything for you.
    no i just didnt like it when sundance made up when the statute didn't support what he said

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    A Lil’ Bit of Momentum Is Building for Devin Nunes to Get Canned From the House Intelligence Committee

    Republican California Rep. Devin Nunes is in the soup again! This time, it’s a New York Times report which says that the Senate Intelligence Committee has concluded that the HouseIntelligence Committee, of which Nunes is chair, leaked an arcane bit of Russia-investigation evidence to Fox News that,

    when taken out of context, was briefly embarrassing to Democratic Virginia Sen. Mark Warner.

    The Times says that even the Republican chair of Senate Intel, North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, was peeved:

    Senator Richard M. Burr of North Carolina, the committee’s Republican chairman, and Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat, were so perturbed by the leak that they demanded a rare meeting with Speaker Paul D. Ryan last month to inform him of their findings.

    They used the meeting with Mr. Ryan to raise broader concerns about the direction of the House Intelligence Committee under its chairman, Representative Devin Nunes of California, the officials said.

    Burr is
    denying the substance of the Times report;

    CNN’s Manu Raju reports, though, that even if Burr is telling the truth (rather than simply trying to save face)

    other Republicans are plenty su ious of Nunes themselves:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ntel-role.html

    What does Nunes expect to gain by committing treason by obstructing Trash's crimes and treason?



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    Schiff looks terrified



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    Schiff looks terrified


    Schiff cant wrap anything up. He's the minority.

    Misfired

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