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So you can predict Horowitz will recommend criminal charges without having anything from Horowitz at all but wilt when asked what those charges will be and against whom.
That's how TSA works.
And, predictably, Pavlov assumes everyone else will be spending their entire Saturday on spurstalk
So you can predict Horowitz will recommend criminal charges without having anything from Horowitz at all but wilt when asked what those charges will be and against whom.
That's how TSA works.
Could be any number of crimes and any number of reasons he recommends charges.
Too bad I never made any predictions about Carter Page at all. I said not every FISA warrant is designed to set up a criminal indictment of the subject.
This is how TSA works. He lies.
”If the government wants to establish that an American is a foreign agent, it must demonstrate that the American is knowingly engaged in clandestine activity on behalf of the foreign power that is so egregious it very likely cons utes a serious federal felony — e.g., terrorism, sabotage, or using false iden ies while spying on behalf of the foreign power.”
What FISA warrant is designed to not set up a criminal indictment of the subject?
In order for them to get a FISA against Page they needed to show they had probable cause he was an active purposeful agent of a foreign power. Do you believe Carter Page was and is an active purposeful agent of a foreign power? When Carter Page was assisting the FBI to bring convictions in 2013 was he an active purposeful agent of a foreign power? Or did he just become one after helping secure convictions?
(A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, which activities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;
(B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;
(C) knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power;
(D) knowingly enters the United States under a false or fraudulent iden y for or on behalf of a foreign power or, while in the United States, knowingly assumes a false or fraudulent iden y for or on behalf of a foreign power; or
(E) knowingly aids or abets any person in the conduct of activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C) or knowingly conspires with any person to engage in activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C).
Heh, TSA demands I speculate more than he did before wilting.
This is how TSA works.
All I know is Republican appointed judges kept renewing the warrant.
I'd ask TSA what the criteria for renewing a warrant are, but he would wilt.
Merely some follow up questions to the statement you just made.
What FISA warrant is designed to not set up a criminal indictment of the subject?
FISA warrants operate on reasonable su ion, not concrete proof: The FBI doesn’t have to prove somebody is a spy or a criminal to get a FISA warrant. Instead, they have to prove they have a reasonable su ion somebody is an agent of a foreign power, which is not just spies and terrorists, but also anybody who aids and abets them, even unknowingly.
https://uproxx.com/news/what-is-fisa...a-devin-nunes/
Since you are so into questions, I'll ask you one -- what are the criteria for renewing a FISA warrant, TSA?
djohn has already posted the criteria as laid out by the former FBI chick.
Grassley and Graham said the FBI relied heavily on the Steele dossier in the application and renewal. How was the FBI able to convince the FISC Page was participating in one the following? And where does it say unknowingly fits the criteria?
A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, which activities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;
(B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;
(C) knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power;
(D) knowingly enters the United States under a false or fraudulent iden y for or on behalf of a foreign power or, while in the United States, knowingly assumes a false or fraudulent iden y for or on behalf of a foreign power; or
(E) knowingly aids or abets any person in the conduct of activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C) or knowingly conspires with any person to engage in activities described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C).
Just followed both links in the uproxx article and looks like the author pulled unknowingly out of his ass. Can you back up that claim?
Sorry, you have a question pending. Nothing more until you answer.
What are the criteria for renewing a FISA warrant, TSA?
Already posted in this thread.
https://www.justsecurity.org/39886/h...r-carter-page/
https://www.justsecurity.org/38422/a...ant-fbi-agent/
Can you provide anything backing the claim of unknowingly yes or no?
Sorry. I'll need the relevant passages like I post d.
Thanks.
Your “relevant” passage is what I’m questioning. What statute says a FISA warrant can be granted on a person who is unknowingly an agent of a foreign power?
As soon as you give me the relevant passage as I did, we can proceed.
What are the criteria for renewing a FISA warrant, TSA?
https://www.nsa.gov/about/civil-libe...702_report.pdf
This may or may not apply to Page, but it served the purpose for your stalling.
So where's that relevant passage that does apply to the renewal of Carter Page's FISA warrant, TSA?
Irrelevant passage and does not apply to Page.
Page was the target, so how would the FBI convince the FISC to grant a FISA warrant if Page was unknowingly acting as an agent of a foreign power?
I never said the FBI considered him to be unknowing so your questions are irrelevant.
You have a relevant passage to produce. So where's that relevant passage that does apply to the renewal of Carter Page's FISA warrant, TSA?
You posted a passage saying the FBI could obtain a FISA warrant even if Page was unknowing. Did you not mean to post that or was the author of the passage you posted full of ?
You asked for one. It had nothing to do with the particular case of Page.
I never said the FBI considered him to be unknowing so your questions are irrelevant.
You have a relevant passage to produce. So where's that relevant passage that does apply to the renewal of Carter Page's FISA warrant, TSA?
You're wilting.
I’m just trying to get you to clear up a strange claim I’ve never once heard. Can the FBI be granted a FISA warrant on a US person who is unknowingly acting as an agent of a foreign power yes or no?
Sorry, you're behind a couple questions.
You have a relevant passage to produce. So where's that relevant passage that does apply to the renewal of Carter Page's FISA warrant, TSA?
You were doing so well half answering one question. Now you're wilting.
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