Gun Control

[Blake]

- Defense from coyotes/wolves and other pack animals where 10 rounds from a handgun is not sufficient.

- Defense from potential US invasion from another country (dem Russians)

- Defense from potential authoritarian/fascist US government which is controlling the US military

all three

[KenMcCoy]

i remember when regulations aimed at increasing auto fuel efficiency said "ban all hummer looking thingies"

When did regulations aimed at increasing fuel efficiency ever ban a particular product? I must have missed that... Did they take all SUVs off the road and I missed it?

[KenMcCoy]

all three

Are all three not possible?

[Blake]

Are all three not possible?

What about space aliens that get past the SPACE FORCE?

We'll be needing dem ar15s

[spurraider21]

When did regulations aimed at increasing fuel efficiency ever ban a particular product? I must have missed that... Did they take all SUVs off the road and I missed it?

missing the forest for the trees tbh

[SpursforSix]

My solution would be to make every police officer and teacher go through Threat Neutralization Training.

It's high intensity training where you learn to use a gun non-lethally by targeting points of the body that neutralize a thread. Like a knee or hip.
Once the potential threat is neutralized, you can decide to either 1) place a fatal shot, or 2) call for an ambulance, or 3) arrest the suspect.

It would immediately lower gun deaths in the U.S.

[KenMcCoy]

What about space aliens that get past the SPACE FORCE?

We'll be needing dem ar15s

Yes or no?

[Blake]

Yes or no?

Yes.

Your turn:
Is a space alien invasion possible?

[KenMcCoy]

Yes.

Your turn:
Is a space alien invasion possible?

Since we haven't confirmed advanced ET life, no.

So...it is possible that those three things could happen, and the average citizen would need an AR/High capacity rifle in those situations. Do you now agree that we shouldn't ban those types of guns?

[lebomb]

all three

X2

0% chance any of that happens.

[RandomGuy]

Don't blame the tool...blame the murderer. People can just as easily be killed via: cars, trucks, knives, homemade bombs, hammers, axes, etc.

More people die from knives each year than from AR-15s/rifles: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/

Sorry, the tool makes it easy.

Banning guns won't stop murder, but it will make it a LOT harder.

This is not rocket science.

[RandomGuy]

My solution would be to make every police officer and teacher go through Threat Neutralization Training.

It's high intensity training where you learn to use a gun non-lethally by targeting points of the body that neutralize a thread. Like a knee or hip.
Once the potential threat is neutralized, you can decide to either 1) place a fatal shot, or 2) call for an ambulance, or 3) arrest the suspect.

It would immediately lower gun deaths in the U.S.

Feel free to tell me how much you want your taxes raised to do this.

[RandomGuy]

Haha...you pansies are so scared of big bad guns, most of which just sit in gun lockers all of their life. Banning high capacity AR or Rifles will not make anyone's chance of being killed by another person in the US any lower statistically. You just need to feel safe.

Australian gun laws stopped 16 mass shootings, new calculations show
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...s-show-n855946

Australians feel pretty safe.

[DMC]

No, the dmc extreme of "ban all guns or ban no guns" is the genius approach.

The difference between your extreme and mine is that you're really serious.

Really.

Let me know when your alternative actually gets implemented.

[lebomb]

Feel free to tell me how much you want your taxes raised to do this.

Not only that. Has SpursforSix ever tried to aim at a knee or hip from as close at 10 to 15yds? The accuracy has to be crazy good. This isnt John Wick shooting at the bad guy. Thats why at that distance you aim for the torso. Also, I doubt an intruder with an AR will be even that close. You will be shooting down the hall more than likely.

[DMC]

yes because the proposed law would say "ban all black AR-15 looking thingies"

i remember when regulations aimed at increasing auto fuel efficiency said "ban all hummer looking thingies"

Do you know anything at all about past gun legislation? Do you know what an "evil feature" is? When you learn that, return to the discussion and resume telling us how anything you're saying means something.

[RandomGuy]

As an Australian watching #NationalWalkOutDay, it looks like students all over the US are begging their government to protect them from guns.

And the government's response is, "Kids. Kids... you need to understand. We like money more than we like you." About right?---Tom Taylor

[DMC]

Not only that. Has SpursforSix ever tried to aim at a knee or hip from as close at 10 to 15yds? The accuracy has to be crazy good. This isnt John Wick shooting at the bad guy. Thats why at that distance you aim for the torso. Also, I doubt an intruder with an AR will be even that close. You will be shooting down the hall more than likely.

at random shadows, not caring about center mass.

[TeyshaBlue]

- Defense from coyotes/wolves and other pack animals where 10 rounds from a handgun is not sufficient.

- Defense from potential US invasion from another country (dem Russians)

- Defense from potential authoritarian/fascist US government which is controlling the US military

Growing up in a rural area, often out of town, I never, nor did I know anyone, encounter a pack of coyotes/wolves/javalenas et al. Chased a few coyotes off my land with a lever action Winchester 30-30 tho. Never had an occasion to fire more than 2 rounds.

No country on earth can afford to occupy a nation the size of the US. Not happening.

We wouldnt stand a chance against a modern military campaign even if we had rpgs and mini guns. If we ever get to that point (highly unlikely) we'll have much more pressing concerns than battling our own military.

[KenMcCoy]

X2

0% chance any of that happens.

1) Man attacked by pack of wolves: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ent-piste.html

2) US invasion from another country, 17 US citizens killed: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...illa-raids-u-s

3) Current example of authoritarian government with military control of the country: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43414348

I'd say the odds are greater than 0%

[DMC]

Growing up in a rural area, often out of town, I never, nor did I know anyone, encounter a pack of coyotes/wolves/javalenas et al. Chased a few coyotes off my land with a lever action Winchester 30-30 tho. Never had an occasion to fire more than 2 rounds.

No country on earth can afford to occupy a nation the size of the US. Not happening.

We wouldnt stand a chance against a modern military campaign even if we had rpgs and mini guns. If we ever get to that point (highly unlikely) we'll have much more pressing concerns than battling our own military.

Plus you cannot differentiate between "us" and "our own military" because we are our own military. Military folks don't get special gun ownership rights. Neither do cops.

[Blake]

Since we haven't confirmed advanced ET life, no.

So...it is possible that those three things could happen, and the average citizen would need an AR/High capacity rifle in those situations. Do you now agree that we shouldn't ban those types of guns?

In the seemingly infinite vastness of the universe and billions of visible galaxies you really don't believe it's "possible" that intelligent life is out there?

OK then.

[KenMcCoy]

No country on earth can afford to occupy a nation the size of the US. Not happening.

Could a country occupy a portion/region of the US? You're ok with that region not being able to defend themselves until the US military arrives?

[KenMcCoy]

In the seemingly infinite vastness of the universe and billions of visible galaxies you really don't believe it's "possible" that intelligent life is out there?

OK then.

Never said that.

[lebomb]

1) Man attacked by pack of wolves: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ent-piste.html

2) US invasion from another country, 17 US citizens killed: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...illa-raids-u-s

3) Current example of authoritarian government with military control of the country: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43414348

I'd say the odds are greater than 0%

1) Happened in the UK wilderness
2) Happened 375yrs ago
3) Syria

at these examples.