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    Dowd may be quitting because he probably objects to firing Mueller, and Trash is getting closer to firing Mueller.
    That's what I was thinking.

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    He's gotta fire Sessions first.
    Rosenstein, not Sessions. Remember Sessions is powerless to do anything about it, Rosenstein was the one who appointed Mueller.

    Even then, since the investigation is incomplete, even IF you could go down the list to find a new Bork (google Saturday Night Massacre), Mueller would have to be replaced by a new person, to continue the investigation.

    Firing Mueller does not mean the end of the investigation.

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    Read more at https://wonkette.com/631545/did-jeff...WjsdKBm0GB3.99

    Whoopsies. Kinda deflates your McCabe's firing reason theory, donnit? Jeff "I don't recall" Sessions is not credible enough to take at face value.

    Obstruction.
    of.
    Justice.
    Reck tried this same ABC article yesterday and failed miserably.

    "one source told ABC News that Sessions was not aware of the investigation"

    December 2017
    FBI email: Sessions wasn't required to disclose foreign contacts for security clearance
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/polit...cts/index.html


    You brag about caring about the rule of law here is your chance to prove you truly do. Should the DOJ ignored the recommendation of the OIG and the FBI OPR to terminate McCabe yes or no?

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    He's gotta fire Sessions first.
    yep, and Rosenstein.

    rumor is environmental criminal Pruitt will replace JeBo

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    Rosenstein, not Sessions. Remember Sessions is powerless to do anything about it, Rosenstein was the one who appointed Mueller.

    Even then, since the investigation is incomplete, even IF you could go down the list to find a new Bork (google Saturday Night Massacre), Mueller would have to be replaced by a new person, to continue the investigation.

    Firing Mueller does not mean the end of the investigation.

    Trump is probably too dumb to realize that. He is probably of the mind set that you fire Mueller and everything goes back to normal.

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    Reck tried this same ABC article yesterday and failed miserably.

    "one source told ABC News that Sessions was not aware of the investigation"

    December 2017
    FBI email: Sessions wasn't required to disclose foreign contacts for security clearance
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/polit...cts/index.html


    You brag about caring about the rule of law here is your chance to prove you truly do. Should the DOJ ignored the recommendation of the OIG and the FBI OPR to terminate McCabe yes or no?
    Failed by whose standard? Yours, of course.

    Which means I was right automatically.

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    Failed by whose standard? Yours, of course.

    Which means I was right automatically.
    This should be fun. What were you right about?

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    This should be fun. What were you right about?
    Asks the dude who has littered failures, back pedals and goal post moves all over this thread.

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    John Brennan’s Thwarted Coup

    As his plot to destroy Trump backfires, his squeals grow louder.

    It was the Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky who coined the phrase the “dustbin of history.” To his political opponents, he sputtered, “You are pitiful, isolated individuals! You are bankrupts. Your role is played out. Go where you belong from now on — into the dustbin of history!”

    It is no coincidence that John Brennan, who supported the Soviet-controlled American Communist Party in the 1970s (he has acknowledged that he thought his vote for its presidential candidate Gus Hall threatened his prospects at the CIA; unfortunately, it didn’t), would borrow from Trotsky’s rhetoric in his fulminations against Donald Trump. His tweet last week, shortly after the firing of Andrew McCabe, reeked of Trotskyite revolutionary schlock: “When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America… America will triumph over you.”

    America will triumph over a president it elected? That’s the raw language of coup, and of course it is not the first time Brennan has indulged it. In 2017, he was calling for members of the executive branch to defy the chief executive. They should “refuse to carry out” his lawful directives if they don’t agree with them, he said.

    Trump has said that the Russians are “laughing their asses off” over the turmoil caused by Obamagate. No doubt many of the laughs come at the sight of Brennan, a supporter of Soviet stooges like Gus Hall, conducting a de facto coup from the top of the CIA and then continuing it after his ouster. Who needs Gus Hall when John Brennan is around? This time the Russians don’t even have to pay for the anti-American activity.

    Another hardcore leftist, Samantha Power, who spent the weeks after Trump’s victory rifling through intelligence picked up on his staff, found Brennan’s revolutionary tweet very inspiring. “Not a good idea to piss off John Brennan,” she wrote. Sounded pretty dark and grave. But not to worry, she tweeted later. She just meant that the former CIA director was going to smite Trump with the power of his “eloquent voice.”

    Out of power, these aging radicals can’t help themselves. They had their shot to stop Trump, they failed, and now they are furious. The adolescent coup talk grows more feverish with each passing day. We have a former CIA director calling for the overthrow of a duly elected president, a former attorney general (Eric Holder) calling for a “knife fight,” a Senate minority leader speaking ominously about what the intelligence community might do to Trump (“they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer has said), and assorted former FBI and CIA officials cheering for a coup, such as CNN’s Phil Mudd who says, “You’ve been around for 13 months. We’ve been around since 1908. I know how this game is going to be played. We’re going to win.”

    In all this unhinged chatter, the partisan origins of Obamagate become clearer. The same anti-Trump hatred on display in their tweets and punditry drove the political espionage. James Kallstrom, the former FBI Assistant Director, notes that the “animus and malice” contained in Brennan’s tweet is “prima facie exposure of how he felt about Trump before the election.”

    All the key figures in the decision to open up a probe on Trump wanted him to lose — from Brennan to Peter Strzok, whose anti-Trump machinations included, according to the latest batch of texts with his mistress, plotting to manipulate a buddy on the FISA court. In one text, he wonders if he can finagle a meeting with his friend by inviting him to a “ tail party.” The impropriety aforethought on display in that tweet is staggering, but of course the media has paid no attention to it, preoccupied as it is with Andrew McCabe’s retirement income.

    McCabe, by the way, has removed all doubts about his capacity for partisan lying with his post-firing statement, which rests entirely upon it. With all of its anti-Trump special pleading, the statement reads like it was cobbled together by Rachel Maddow. Like so many other ruling-class frauds, McCabe seeks absolution for his perjury and leaking through liberal politics. I stand with the liberal powerful against Trump, you can’t touch me — that’s the upshot of his defense. Comey has taken the same tack. The le of his forthcoming book should be: How the Law Doesn’t Apply to the Self-Appointed Ruling Class.

    What an amazing collection of en led creeps, who long ago convinced themselves that the “rule of law” is identical to what they see as their sacred right to exercise power in any way they see fit. All the blather about Trump’s violation of the law is simply a projection of their own lawlessness. So far the coup has been thwarted. They had hoped to stop him in the campaign through political espionage. But that didn’t work. Then they tried to upend him through spying during the transition, holding out hope until the very last moment, as evidenced by Susan Rice penning her sham exculpatory note only after Trump’s swearing-in. Now they join Brennan in seeking to bury Trump in Mueller’s dustbin.

    Trotsky would have understood the shorthand of all the tweets, polemics, and posturing perfectly. Nothing in this show trial bears any relationship to reality or justice. It is simply an expression of power politics, which doesn’t always end well for its exponents. As even an old Gus Hall supporter like John Brennan must know, and perhaps his fulminating panic indicates a dawning awareness of it, those who talk the loudest about their enemies heading for the ash heap of history often end up in it.

    https://spectator.org/john-brennans-thwarted-coup/

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    John Brennan’s Thwarted Coup
    Speaking of criminal investigations:


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    Reck tried this same ABC article yesterday and failed miserably.

    "one source told ABC News that Sessions was not aware of the investigation"

    December 2017
    FBI email: Sessions wasn't required to disclose foreign contacts for security clearance
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/polit...cts/index.html


    You brag about caring about the rule of law here is your chance to prove you truly do. Should the DOJ ignored the recommendation of the OIG and the FBI OPR to terminate McCabe yes or no?
    You didn't actually read the link or what I posted, did you.

    FAIL. Nothing to do with security paperwork, slick.

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    Looking very likely that McCabe is under criminal investigation

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    anonymous twitter threads

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    You didn't actually read the link or what I posted, did you.

    FAIL. Nothing to do with security paperwork, slick.
    "The Special Counsel's office has informed me that after interviewing the attorney general and conducting additional investigation, the attorney general is not under investigation for false statements or perjury in his confirmation hearing testimony and related written submissions to Congress," attorney Chuck Cooper told ABC News on Wednesday.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-f...ry?id=53914006

    You really going to hang your hat on ABC's one source that said Sessions wasn't aware?


    You brag about caring about the rule of law here is your chance to prove you truly do. Should the DOJ ignored the recommendation of the OIG and the FBI OPR to terminate McCabe yes or no?

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    Rofl using "tracybeanz" as a source

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    Tracybeanz!


    What is your conspiracy theory this time, TSA?

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    anonymous twitter threads
    not even a large blue circle, smh

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    right after the highlighted section of the first pic

    he got the final report a week ago, including evidence on which it was based, and all exculpatory evidence

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    right after the highlighted section of the first pic

    he got the final report a week ago, including evidence on which it was based, and all exculpatory evidence
    McCabe's lawyer got the final report from the OPR, not the OIG.

    ==================

    Assistance of Counsel

    The majority of OPR investigations are administrative in nature, and employees are not en led to counsel as a matter of law. However, counsel may be permitted if counsel does not interfere with or delay the interview. Counsel must be actually retained by the employee as his legal representative, not as an observer. Counsel are not permitted access to certain confidential criminal investigative information and may not be permitted access to grand jury information.

    Post Investigation Procedures

    At the conclusion of the investigation, OPR prepares a report of investigation in which it makes findings of fact and reaches conclusions as to whether the subject attorney committed professional misconduct. OPR may find the subject attorney committed professional misconduct by: (1) intentionally violating a clear and unambiguous obligation or standard imposed by law, applicable rule of professional conduct, or Department regulation or policy; or (2) recklessly disregarding his obligation to comply with that obligation or standard. OPR may also find that the attorney exercised poor judgment or made a mistake. A poor judgment finding may lead to disciplinary action; a mistake finding does not.

    Once OPR completes its report of investigation, the subject attorney and the component head are officially notified of the results of the investigation. If OPR determines that the subject attorney committed professional misconduct, prior to issuing a final report, the subject attorney, pursuant to a confidentiality agreement, and the component head may review the draft report, comment on the factual findings, and offer arguments as to why OPR should alter its conclusions. OPR will consider the comments and incorporate them into the final report, to the extent OPR considers it appropriate.

    OPR may include in its report information relating to management and policy issues noted in the course of the investigation for consideration by Department officials.

    Pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 0.39a and OPR's routine uses under the Privacy Act, OPR also notifies the complainant of the results of the investigation.

    https://www.justice.gov/opr/policies-and-procedures#7

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    Rachel Maddow Reveals That Mueller Could Bust Trump For Accepting Foreign Government Payoffs

    "If we're talking about a foreign government paying for those outcomes, that's very blatantly illegal," Maddow said on Wednesday


    citing a New York Times report, Mueller is questioning a witness close to an operation that involved foreign governments essentially paying off the Trump administration under the guise of a fundraiser.

    That cooperating witness, George Nader,

    could give special counsel investigators damning information,

    which has the potential to throw even more legal trouble toward the president.

    And as the MSNBC host pointed out,

    Nader has been granted immunity by Mueller,

    which means he could have key information.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2018/03...ls-scheme.html


    ==================

    How 2 Gulf Monarchies Sought to Influence the White House


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/u...influence.html



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    McCabe's lawyer got the final report from the OPR, not the OIG.

    ==================

    Assistance of Counsel

    The majority of OPR investigations are administrative in nature, and employees are not en led to counsel as a matter of law. However, counsel may be permitted if counsel does not interfere with or delay the interview. Counsel must be actually retained by the employee as his legal representative, not as an observer. Counsel are not permitted access to certain confidential criminal investigative information and may not be permitted access to grand jury information.

    Post Investigation Procedures

    At the conclusion of the investigation, OPR prepares a report of investigation in which it makes findings of fact and reaches conclusions as to whether the subject attorney committed professional misconduct. OPR may find the subject attorney committed professional misconduct by: (1) intentionally violating a clear and unambiguous obligation or standard imposed by law, applicable rule of professional conduct, or Department regulation or policy; or (2) recklessly disregarding his obligation to comply with that obligation or standard. OPR may also find that the attorney exercised poor judgment or made a mistake. A poor judgment finding may lead to disciplinary action; a mistake finding does not.

    Once OPR completes its report of investigation, the subject attorney and the component head are officially notified of the results of the investigation. If OPR determines that the subject attorney committed professional misconduct, prior to issuing a final report, the subject attorney, pursuant to a confidentiality agreement, and the component head may review the draft report, comment on the factual findings, and offer arguments as to why OPR should alter its conclusions. OPR will consider the comments and incorporate them into the final report, to the extent OPR considers it appropriate.

    OPR may include in its report information relating to management and policy issues noted in the course of the investigation for consideration by Department officials.

    Pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 0.39a and OPR's routine uses under the Privacy Act, OPR also notifies the complainant of the results of the investigation.

    https://www.justice.gov/opr/policies-and-procedures#7
    sure, but its the OPR assistance of counsel section where you got the whole "he's not en led to certain information" stuff

    and yet now you're saying he got all the stuff from the OPR

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