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    I think I just realized why Kawhi quit on the Spurs! Can't believe it took me this long to see it.

    Kawhi holds a grudge against his teammates because NOBODY HAD HIS BACK after Zsa Zsa last season. Nobody hard fouled him, no fights, nothing. Instead of his teammates retaliating in any way whatsoever, they simply bent over. (And against GSW this season, still nothing.)

    I think that lack of support infuriated Kawhi, and his anger continues to this day, in the form of a "mysterious" injury.

    He quit on the Spurs after that series.

    Yup, makes sense. Wouldn't you be pissed if you got taken out, but your homies didn't do anything about it?? I'd be looking for a new crew, too.
    Works both ways when has Kawhi ever had his teammates back when someone committed a dirty foul against them? If he's quitting over the Zaza incident then that's very childish.

    I don't recall Dirk quitting on the Mavs when David West punked him and nobody had his back.


    Can't recall Kobe quitting on the Lakers after Raja Bell clothes lined him.



    I can sight even more examples of dirty fouls happening to star players where their teammates didn't do anything. Just calling a spade for spade I believe that Kawhi's uncle has brainwashed him not to want to be in SA because his uncle has always wanted him in LA. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.

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    I can see it now. A game in the year 2020

    Injury Report:

    "Kawhi Leonard (return from injury management since 2017) is out for tonight's game"
    Almost too sad to be funny, but...

    I am beginning to wonder more and more about potential lawsuits - on both ends.

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    I think it was SpurPadre...
    who was saying it's too bad the team doesn't have an avery johnson type character in the locker room bc someone would have already punched Kiwi in the face

    Sure, he was sarcastic, and it was a joke... but really the current Spurs are the most vanilla like locker room... look at Danny going to extreme lengths to make it clear they don't have personalities like that right now... and even they are getting restless with Kiwi's act.

    All the same restlessness we as fans have, they have but worse bc they are the ones who are battling in games, playing through their own nags and injuries and seeing Kiwi out there in the bench with an act laughing... Dude doesn't laugh ever under normal cir stances. He's laughed and clapped more this season than he has in every one of the prior ones. It's all an act. It might even be infuriating as a teammate to see that.
    Yeah, it was me but I was half-joking. AJ did, in fact, punch Malik Rose in the face during a locker room argument for what was apparently an argument on lack of hustle on Malik's part during a game. I take it AJ wouldn't react too kindly to Kawhi's act ALL season if given the opportunity to confront him in a players only meeting.

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    Who wins in this situation? I would say oOther big markets that want Kawhi and "suggest" media about Spurs-Kawhi's "issues".

    "Rep is that he is soft" He had his injury in last playoffs, he played at MVP level through pain last playoffs. Sadly, his quad getting worse this season, instead of calling soft a player for being injured, I would support him.

    "Not a leader" Kawhi has talked when he was in SA -and texted them when he was working in other cities- his teammates all year. Danny Green already said it.

    Obviously, Kawhi talked more with the young guys than Manu/Parker but he stayed close to most his teammates.

    Then the media was lying "Kawhi don't talk with his teammates", they had a "tense and emotional meeting"...

    Do you remember last year the rumors about LMA? They were right. He wanted out, more touches, stats, whatever.

    Tell me who Spurs' player denied it in public like Danny and Brandon did it now? Who Spurs' player was supporting him against rumors? No one, because they already knew something happened.


    Two weeks ago Rudy said he supports Kawhi. Danny said Kawhi texted teammates all times. Brandon said media lied.

    Like I've said before, people love drama, media is creating the drama. Not sure why it's so hard to believe that a player is just injured.

    Not sure why there are so much people willing to believe that Kawhi would out/play in LA, I get it if this was a Lakers forum but Spurs fans?? For real? I find it just crazy.
    If you want to be an all time great player, that takes sacrifice, and very often it means physical sacrifice. Playing through pain. Great players will play through issues like this no problem. KL is not. I have never heard of a player being cleared to play and just refusing to go. His whole team is calling him out and rightfully so. He is showing he is no leader.

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    Whatever happens, PATFO are going to have to change their approach one way or another. Hopefully Pop retires, but, they need to stop with the loyalty contracts. Stop with the baby rest. Stop with “corporate knowledge” signing of guys that can’t even help on the court. Stop with the old guys old guys old guys. Stop with the random benching of young players for months. Stop with determining a rookie will not participate in the playoffs before the season even starts. Stop sitting guys that are rolling to curb their stats. Stopping benching guys for sticking up for their teammates against an opponent.

    Not saying theyre all going to get fixed, but some of those things are going to have to be addressed and changed. It’s actu creating a weird culture these days. Nobody wanted to come here before. Now they’re really not going to come here.
    Certain approaches need to change yes, as the game grows and personalities change, there should be a certain level of adaptation all around.

    But there hasn't been much baby rest this year. The team has been getting younger over the last few years, but you can bet there will always be some vets on the squad. Every legit contender has some, you aren't winning with all young guys.

    And the loyalty contracts are a matter of opinion. Some fans hate them, some understand why. It's usually a give/take situation. They can see some guys who took less for the better of the team at one point, and be taken care of down the line. Fans may think it's silly, but I bet the players appreciate the out of it.

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    I agree with you 100% about what needs to happen. Unfortunately we are shackled with the disaster of last off-season. Plus, I do not believe that PATFO is capable of making any of those changes, anyway. In the poll/thread about siding with PATFO or Kawhi, I would choose the Spurs. Neither PATFO nor Kawhi is representing what is best for the franchise at this point.
    Yup. That’s why I’ve been waiting for Pop and RC to walk away. Appreciate everything they’ve done, but it’s time to move on. I mean, Pop doesn’t even want to be on the coaching anymore.

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    Can't recall Kobe quitting on the Lakers after Raja Bell clothes lined him.



    I can sight even more examples of dirty fouls happening to star players where their teammates didn't do anything. Just calling a spade for spade I believe that Kawhi's uncle has brainwashed him not to want to be in SA because his uncle has always wanted him in LA. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
    kobe DID quit on the lakers (refused to shoot the ball in the 2nd half of a game 7)

    and then after the next season he demanded a trade

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    This is what I got when I talked to someone very close to the organization...Kawhi is an easily influenced person. Very shy and not very social. He's a very nice guy and has a hard time saying no to those close to him. His uncle means well and wants the best for Kawhi, but apparently has influenced him a lot this season for whatever reason and that caused the whole "second opinion" thing. I personally see nothing wrong with that, but at the same time it as caused some damage to the relationship between the Spurs and Kawhi.

    The Spurs were looking into to trading him at the deadline, but decided not to for whatever reason, but they did have the green light to pull off a trade. Of course Kawhi's uncle is going to deny it because that would make Kawhi look like the "bad guy." The Spurs have held out hope that he would have returned, but apparently Kawhi's doctors have not cleared him for whatever reason. This is not going to end well in my opinion even though I am holding out hope. If Aldridge can be talked into staying then I have hope Kawhi and the Spurs can fix this broken relationship. I'm not sure that will happen though.

    My opinion is that if he does indeed comeback and the Spurs make a strong push in the playoffs that things will get better between the Spurs and Kawhi. To me winning fixes a lot of things.

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    kobe DID quit on the lakers (refused to shoot the ball in the 2nd half of a game 7)

    and then after the next season he demanded a trade
    Yes I remember that I should have been more clear and said he didn't sit out games. He demanded a trade but I don't recall him not playing in games.

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    This is what I got when I talked to someone very close to the organization...Kawhi is an easily influenced person. Very shy and not very social. He's a very nice guy and has a hard time saying no to those close to him. His uncle means well and wants the best for Kawhi, but apparently has influenced him a lot this season for whatever reason and that caused the whole "second opinion" thing. I personally see nothing wrong with that, but at the same time it as caused some damage to the relationship between the Spurs and Kawhi.

    The Spurs were looking into to trading him at the deadline, but decided not to for whatever reason, but they did have the green light to pull off a trade. Of course Kawhi's uncle is going to deny it because that would make Kawhi look like the "bad guy." The Spurs have held out hope that he would have returned, but apparently Kawhi's doctors have not cleared him for whatever reason. This is not going to end well in my opinion even though I am holding out hope. If Aldridge can be talked into staying then I have hope Kawhi and the Spurs can fix this broken relationship. I'm not sure that will happen though.

    My opinion is that if he does indeed comeback and the Spurs make a strong push in the playoffs that things will get better between the Spurs and Kawhi. To me winning fixes a lot of things.
    His uncle means best for himself. His uncle reminds me of that loser parent that lives vicariously through his more talented and successful kid. I'm sure if his uncle was a player LA would be his number 1 choice and hence him projecting his own dreams on Kawhi.

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    In terms of Xs and Os, you are better than Pop! But I still have my doubts about the locker room. If you were going to build an NBA team, would you want your two statistical leaders to be extreme introverts in the locker room? In a locker room without any other strong leadership? That's what I mean by not meshing well - not conflict, but total lack of interaction.
    I don't know if LA is a traditional leader but he does seem to have good relationships with the likes of Anderson, Murray and Green - all of whom have nothing but great things to about him.

    Being the best player and also being well respected and liked by your teammates is something, It beats having to have an impromptu meeting with Kawhi just to try and get a idea of when he might return.

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    Well that was debunked in 1 second.

    And trying to grow a brand without actually "branding" is counter intuitive. That doesn't sound like Kawhi.
    I didn’t say I believed him. I’m just relaying what was said to me

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    Well that plan is weird seeing as if Kawhi signs the DPE this Summer it will be 2 years before he can be traded.
    If the Spurs really wanna punish Kawhi they can just decline to offer him the Super-Max.

    Kawhi won't be ablle to requalify for it anytime soon, if ever.

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    Pop (and anyone with common sense) understands the situation

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    That doesn't fit the narrative.

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    That's very Trump-ian of Pop. Deny everything.

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    Anyone see the interview with DG.

    Basically said that what the media is reporting about the meeting is completely off.

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    Translation: it's Kawhi fault

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    Pop (and anyone with common sense) understands the situation
    Lol u dum

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    Anyone see the interview with DG.

    Basically said that what the media is reporting about the meeting is completely off.
    Danny Green has fallen out with the team. He’s gone. No surprise he’s trying to prop up the cancer.

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    Kawhi just called emergency team meeting after Jazz game. Quad suddenly feeling better.

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    kobe DID quit on the lakers (refused to shoot the ball in the 2nd half of a game 7)

    and then after the next season he demanded a trade
    Kobe was a his entire career and I was never a fan. But nobody could ever question his heart and determination on the court. Or his willingness to play through pain. That is the issue we are having here.

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    Tony also putting a message out there that the med team can be trusted for future players who may come. Do the spurs want a reputation that they don’t take care of their players? That is how Kawhi is making it seem.
    Kawhi is known in the league for his ethic work, every player in the league knows he's a gym rat...Those same players won't believe that Kawhi is faking an injury, they know he was a MVP candidate, news guys in the league say they want to be like them, he was 3rd NBA favorite player after Bron and Ruus between rookies this summer...

    On other hand, those players don't know who exactly is/was Tony Parker, his prime's passed, he's a PG backup talking about MVP candidate...

    I would say many young guys will believe Kawhi. Which could become an issue in the future like you said.





    The only two persons I see are left caping for Quadhi are dabom and his personal butler YGWHI ..

    Whether on this forum or twitter, majority of people are starting to realize from where the bull is emanating. To varying degrees, most have turned on Leonard..
    If only this trolls knows how to read... Moore read many of his followers in previous tweets questioned the Spurs about rushing an injured player and tweeted "I will say, everyone jumping up on the Spurs about “pressuring a player with injury

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