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Ban the ar15 or any other high capacity rifle and they'll just use 2 hand guns like that kid at VA Tech(killed 32 wounded 17). So then what your gonna ban hand guns too?
On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."
Did the Nazis do this to strengthen the Jews or make them more vulnerable?
Ban the ar15 or any other high capacity rifle and they'll just use 2 hand guns like that kid at VA Tech(killed 32 wounded 17). So then what your gonna ban hand guns too?
Body cams would make the country much safer than gun control. Is your privacy more important than safety?
I really applaud him.
Don't think for one second these idiots would stop if the ineffective policies were passed.
I'm not sure there could possibly be a more idiotic poster in that entire crowd than this last picture. I'd rather see a "kill all NRA" or "kill all gun owners" poster than this ing under the radar idiocy tbh. This dumb is completely ready to live life in a prison if there was guaranteed safety because "safety>freedom". Let me guess nobody called her out on her idiocy.
Gun control isn't based on morality it's based on being selfish.
Thousands of people die from drunk driving and 1/3 of all violent crime is influenced from alcohol. Not a word is said because "I like alcohol". 17 people get shot and people go ape because "I don't like guns".
Give off your moral high horse. You look like an idiot.
"Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.
Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence."
Get off the your "intelligence" high horse as well. You look like an idiot.
seeing how these marches are typically just anti trump marches, pop knows trump wouldn't be welcomed there anyway. He's just using it to continue criticizing the president. I'd would have like to see how pop criticize the FBI and sheriffs department for their screw up aswell. But he just leaves that alone for some reason
Dems never had Senate control due to DINO Max Baucus and BigInsurance-protecting Lieberman (so no medicare for all).
kids demonstrating against school massacres by you gun fellators and NRA/BigGun shills isn't "far left", and it's not the kids role to propose specific regulations, only to protest with
" ing do something to make it stop"
Of course, nothing will happen because kids don't have enough $Bs to outbid NRA/BigGun for the votes of corrupt legislative s.
Kock Bros, etc hired tea baggers / patriots in their ing britches and tri-cornered hats
Whose hiring the kids to protest?
yet again, ing FALSE EQUIVALENCE. Goddamn, you people are ing stupid
its awfully convenient to question statistics that challenge your world view
and the tide-pod stuff is a lazy attempt to write-off people who disagree, as if that somehow represents a substantial portion of the anti-gun advocates
No, if you are a teenager then you have enough intelligence to do more than scream like a toddler. First they should recognize they have no reason to fear for their lives at school(besides the people that lived through a shooting). School shootings are a statistical outlier. They are extraordinarily safe so cut the bull about "feeling safe". Next you have to realize that you can't make everything stop. People will break the law and put other lives at risk. Just look at drunk driving Buford who the Spurs employ. Just because thousands of people get killed because of idiots like Buford break the law doesn't mean we are going to punish the rest of the country. So yeah, teenagers need to come to the table with a little more that "make it stop". And if they don't then the adults that agree with them and using them to push an agenda should.
So are you blaming gun owners for these mass shootings? If it isn't "far left" then why not the same criticism for the FBI and sheriffs department? Why reject the suggestion of having armed security or teachers?
Yeah, because questioning statistics is a bad thing.
Even if he accepts all the statistics they all pale in comparison to the 100 million deaths he was talking about. In reality he really doesn't give a about your short-term statistics because he's thinking long-term which every reasonable person should.
vids from body cams are held in secret by the police
cops still bash people and phones for legally filming the police.
That's irrelevant to my point. I'm not going back and forth with you in the Spurs forum.
"How dare somebody criticize the president"...like that's ever happened before (lol @ the George W years when everyone was critical, and it was not only ok but funny as . Or even the Thanks Obama meme years where it was also funny). The fact that people are so outraged that some public figure has an opinion on the president or politicians in this regime makes it look much more like Hitler era fascism. Like "how dare you have an opinion other than what has been fed to you by the leading faction." If you're not with us you're not with America. We should stone you to death." Literally the opposite of democracy.
Watch out nathan, someone is drunk and may be coming for you. The problem isn't white men at all, don't look at them
None of that changes my stance. I previously read the fivethirtyeight article you linked. Pointing at instances where gun control would not help doesnt mean there arent lives that could be saved with sone form of gun control. More aggresive types such as full auto assault weapons have been banned ...dont think legal owners of the guns i mentioned before are suffering cuz they cant purchase those or a bazooka.The right to own guns is not entirely for regular occurrences like that.
Laws like that don't change but take rights away from people.
"I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly."
"Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.b64e5ead5c37
So yeah let's not give up our rights for ineffective policies. Fighting against that makes you a "pussy". Go fight for a ban on alcohol and you'll save many more lives than a ban on AR's.
Finally, since they are ineffective policies and the position that leads one to argue to take away guns is based on selfish reasons they will not stop there.
Get a glimpse of you next brainwashed generation.
This is the direction your gun reform is going. Don't expect people to bend over for ineffective policies.
I get gun laws wont stop some criminals but if it can save some lives even a small % Im all for it. I would never support a ban for all gun types however ...
Probably Pop's drunk driving friend Buford.
You can save life much more easily than putting all your effort into banning those guns. That article mentions some of the things we can do that doesn't involve any bans that would save many more lives. This march is a giant derail from those effective plans that could save many more lives without long-term repercussions.
Why can't we do both? if the plans you outline will save many and some gun control will ony save a few ...why not do both?!
So you're saying since we can't stop everything, we shouldn't try to stop anything?
That sounds effective.
Because I'm not going to push every restrictive policy on the public in the name of a few lives. You can do that with anything. People are just fear mongering over guns now.
Meanwhile, perfectly reasonable plans like that article mentioned are not being push forward with vigor because people want topush restrictive policy that will only save a few lives. By focusing on the wrong objective they are actually preventing real measurable change.
questioning statistics only because they go against your world view is just cognitive dissonance
and his "long term" statistics are completely unrelated... he says he's skeptical of gun control because marxist russian dictators killed a lot of people. there's no logical connect to those two
thats like saying social security is a dangerous policy because the soviet union murdered people
The real problem with gun control is that the NRA is funded by the Russians who know that more machine guns on the streets creates an unstable country which benefits them. The NRA muddies the conversation from sensible gun control (proper background checks and licensing, not giving guns to people on no fly lists, etc) to be the same as "They want to take away all your guns" because they know it makes it harder to figure out the middle ground.
Combine that with the Russians radicalizing people on FB, 4Chan, 8Chan, Reddit, etc. so they get crazed and go shoot places up or bomb , like Vegas, Parkland, Austin and you've got a toxic mix.
Finally, the NRA and the Russians have blackmail on gov people on both sides of the aisle and uses it to keep them from speaking up against what their cons uents actually want. This won't change until the underlying Russian and NRA threat mechanisms have been decimated AND the corrupted politicians are voted out of office.
The kids are doing good in exposing the corrupt US side that are now openly siding with the NRA and not what the masses actually want. Ideally, this will spur the lazy ers who didn't vote into getting out and making the change they want to see.
Until then, keep your head on a swivel cause is going to get crazy.
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