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There's one of those bull arguments I was talking about.
I lived in a lot of countries... none of them are perfect. Everybody has their own pro and cons, tbh... it actually makes for great contrast.then go move to japan!
There's one of those bull arguments I was talking about.
It actually makes much more sense to simply say "I like my guns, I want to keep em, that's my point". Like smokers that just tell you they enjoy smoking cigarettes...
I'm not going to tell Nathan he's wrong, or that I hold an undeniable truth. They're opinions, all respectable.
I just think sometimes the excuses are pretty laughable. Just say what you mean, get over it.
I'm actually not in favor of an outright gun ban, as I said many times, but also not against certain regulations (as long as they don't impede using guns for personal defense).
Why is it bull ? Do you feel less safe at a bank with cops that have guns? It’s a simple question.
its almost like being a densely populated area stricken with poverty and failed public education could be a factor
agreed. also irrelevant. guns are also the most common weapon used in murders. that's relevantMost gun deaths (67%) are suicides.
agreed. i'm not a big fan of them either. there are more accidental gun deaths per year than justified homicides. the cons outweigh the pros and it isn't particularly close. that said, the focus on semi auto rifles is with the specific intent of curbing mass shootings, which tend to be carried out with assault rifles. yes, virginia tech was with pistols. but focusing out outliers is never productiveMost gun deaths are from handguns.
incredible strawman/red herring0% of mass shooting are committed by NRA members.
absolutely false.98% of shooting occur in gun free zones.
story is different when talking about mass shootings vs shootings in general. your comment didn't specify mass shootings, and thus was incorrect
that being said, areas that are "gun free zones" tend to be densely populated areas. schools, airports, malls, clubs. those areas, gun free or not, are inherently attractive spots for mass shooters.
you are confusing cause and effect. a wide open field might not be a gun free zone, but thats not why a mass shooter isn't going to set up shop in a wide open field. it's because nobody is there for him to shoot.
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Funny you mention "free speech", kind of like what the brave students who had to hear and watch their friends die are voicing that you so vehemently disapprove of and chastise.
At least you can admit that you don't care about them. Props for that I guess, though I'm pretty certain you would feel a lot different if it was your kid or relative who died in one of these now seemingly annual mass shooting events. If you have kids.
And you, no, I pay taxes and enjoy living here.
That is true for most things but there are undeniable uses for guns beyond "I like them". That's all smokers can say(besides government being overly restrictive). The all drinkers of alcohol can say. But that's not all you can say about guns.
Likewise I think the excuses for banning guns are pretty laughable. Just say "I don't like guns". That's the reality. Just say what you mean and get over it.
In my opinion what pop said was spot on. But, my head isnt up my ass like most trump supporters.
Most people on this site hate his point of view. Thats cool. However, pop is informed and knows more about politics and current world affairs than any poster on this site.
He would absolutely destroy any of his haters in a debate / political conversation. If you think otherwise you have delusions of grandeur or are a ing idiot just like trump.
Those aren't the same. A cop is at least somewhat trained to carry a gun. It's not like Jimmy Lipper carrying his pistol on his hip in a crowded restaurant thinking he's some badass. And not all banks have armed cops. Most that i've been in don't actually.
I'm sure you also compare cars and guns.
how easily can you obtain an NFA weapon
I could go back and forth with you all day on this, as I have with many other liberals. Ill save you and I the time.
The rights are self-evident, handed to us by our Creator. The government does not give us these rights, they are non-negotiable God given rights to us for simply existing as humans. The government is sworn to uphold those rights. Not to undermine them, not to cancel them the moment some butthurt high schoolers eat too many tide pods and think its time to change the law. The Cons ution can only be changed with a 75% vote of the states to repeal an amendment. Good luck with that.
Please read...
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I've never once said they shouldn't have the right to protest. I just disagree with them.
Of course I don't care enough about a few insignificant amount of murders to push policy on the rest of America. Like I'm not going to agree to wear body cam even though I know for a fact that would save 10's of thousands of lives every year easily.
Oh, I thought you didn't feel safe.
Get off your knees.
So a pretty much yearly occurrence of a large amount of people, often times children, being shot to death in a public setting isn't enough for you to say "hmm, maybe something needs to change here"? That's "insignificant" to you?
That is the definition of having your head in the sand, blinders on.
Oh that's rich.
a) the cons ution was written by men, not god
b) the whole "rights are self evident, handed to us by our creator" is from the declaration of independence, not the cons ution, and is not legally binding
c) i must have missed the bible verse where god gave all man a right to have firearms
d) even if such verse existed, this country does not endorse religious law. leave that for the middle east
e) tide pod smack talk is just a lazy attempt to write off a position that has existed for decades
i have read it, thanks. i dont think anybody here has proposed banning all guns. the supreme court has already held that the government CAN regulate guns, as long as the regulations are reasonable. none of the rights in the cons ution are absolute. we have limits to free speech. by that same token, we have limits on guns. you cant just walk into a military base and buy a fully operational tank easy peasy. you cant walk into a gun store and walk out with anti-aircraft heavy machine guns.Please read...
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
and thats despite the "shall not be infringed" aspect.
And these “somewhat trained” cops are the same ones shooting innocent black men. Why don’t we take all their guns away? I mean innocent black men are being gunned down. Don’t you care about them!?! Take the cops guns away so they can stop dying!
Could it be that a few bad cops with guns out there don’t represent the thousands and thousands of good cops that use those guns to protect the innocent?
Too insignificant with regards to pushing restrictive policies. However, there are more ways to attack a problem.
No, that's not "having your head in the sand". Are you willing to wear a body cam to save 10s of thousands of lives? Perhaps, but I'm not. Similarly I'm not pushing restrictive policy to save a few handfuls of people. I could easily save thousands of lives by banning alcohol. I also wouldn't do that but I would before banning guns.
Your lack of understanding of our history and what the Cons ution means to our representative republic is appalling. The Cons ution is the highest and most powerful do ent in our country. You act like it is toilet paper written by fossils.
I will never understand the left's fetish with banning guns, I own several and am highly trained and skilled in using them and may save your ass one day. And how ironic that abortion kills many many multiples more of children every year but I dont see a March for Life to stop abortion. Leftist are hypocrites and the worst kind, the self righteous ones that will try and bully you with "think of the children" arguments and simultaneously ignore the fact that they support baby killing. But hey you dont see me belly aching about repealing your Cons utional rights to abortion (that doesnt exist). Imagine the outcry. Go read a history book please.
Again, I'll never own an AR-15, but you are in favor of banning all AR-15s in hopes that it might stop one incident and that is good enough to pass a law. First, if you ban AR-15s, that doesn't mean that the minority of people that would commit violent crimes with them can't get their hands on it and even if it is hypothetically more difficult, we don't know how difficult. Drugs are illegal and they aren't that hard to get. Also, when you start passing laws because it might save one life, then you go down a slippery slope. There are lots of things that could be banned if it could just save one life. Yet you wouldn't ban swimming pools or certain types of cars or any number of things that take more lives (intentionally and accidentally) than guns.
I'm not a gun advocate and I'll never own a gun, but I just think its bad public policy to ban something that has little to no impact just for the sake of saying you are "doing something." I favor any reasonable gun control that will be effective for stopping gun violence. If banning AR-15s meant no more mass murders, then I'd be all for it. But the problem is that banning AR-15s won't stop them from being accessible on the black market and there will always be other weapons that take the place of the AR-15s.
And even if AR-15s stopped the mass gun violence, you would move the markers. Let's say there is gun violence where someone shoots 3 people on campus instead of 15. Aren't those three lives just as important as the 15. So how do we stop those three people from being shot? What guns can we ban to stop that?
Who here is for banning the media from covering mass murders?
The Cons ution has been amended plenty ...can and will be again. Women were given the right to vote and blacks the same plus civil rights. Quoting it doesnt prove anything, except what the current state of governance is. It is a living breathing do ent, meant ti be changed or they would not put a process in place to amend it. Its not the Bible.
I don't know about all that
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