Hey kids, let me show you proof that God's real

[Blake]

How many people do yu think would see you as having the answer?

Not the nearly 2 billion Muslims

[mingus]

No, that line doesn't work.

If you want to prove your a bad ass, that's all on you. Go for it and let's see what you got.

You are putting words in my mouth. I don’t need to prove anything. Me giving that example is not me trying to show that I’m a badass. If you read it that way, then you miss the point entirely.

[koriwhat]

don't worry about blake... he thinks i'm a druggy and doesn't believe a higher power exists.

[spurraider21]

”meaningful” as in has it been vetted via the scientific method? No. If that’s the only means, you believe, by which knowledge can be acquired, then I will respectfully disagree. And it’s why I wouldn’t even bother going into my life story with you or anyone who believes that that is the only way by which we can come to knowledge. If we disagree on basic ideas of knowledge acquisition, it’s going to end, most likely, just how it started. Which is w/ you & me not coming to any consensus. Unless I can convince you that there are other forms of knowledge acquisition. Which, I believe, is actually possible. It’s just a question of trust. I don’t know you.

And I’m not asking you or anyone to take my word for it. I don’t proselytize.

i'm not asking you to convert me. you said you "know" those things. i'm asking how you know out of curiosity, not out of a desire to be preached at

[spurraider21]

What if you know, though?

Wouldn’t that just be a more enlightened reason?

no, because humans are fallible.

if an insane person "knows" that a bird is talking to them, that doesn't mean he has reached enlightenment and only he knows the truth of the magical bird.

thus, on an individual level, its difficult to know if what you know is real or not. this is why we look to things that can be objectively verified. like a measurement. you give two people the same ruler and tell them to measure a 5 inch object, they'll both find that it is 5 inches (assuming they know how to use a ruler). if one of them says "for me, it is 8 inches, and my knowledge of this means i have reached enlightenment," that wouldn't work

also yes, penis measurement joke incoming

[mingus]

How many people do yu think would see you as having the answer?

Everybody.

[mingus]

no, because humans are fallible.

if an insane person "knows" that a bird is talking to them, that doesn't mean he has reached enlightenment and only he knows the truth of the magical bird.

thus, on an individual level, its difficult to know if what you know is real or not. this is why we look to things that can be objectively verified. like a measurement. you give two people the same ruler and tell them to measure a 5 inch object, they'll both find that it is 5 inches (assuming they know how to use a ruler). if one of them says "for me, it is 8 inches, and my knowledge of this means i have reached enlightenment," that wouldn't work

also yes, penis measurement joke incoming

It’s not that difficult to say you know, actually. Not for me, anyway.

[spurraider21]

It’s not that difficult to say you know, actually. Not for me, anyway.

its easy for the crazy man to know the bird is talking

[mingus]

its easy for the crazy man to know the bird is talking

So IOW, I’m crazy. Even though you have no way of knowing that. Okay.

[spurraider21]

So IOW, I’m crazy. Even though you have no way of knowing that. Okay.

no, you're putting words in my mouth

[spurraider21]

it was in response to this line of discussion

What if you know, though?

Wouldn’t that just be a more enlightened reason?

no, because humans are fallible.

if an insane person "knows" that a bird is talking to them, that doesn't mean he has reached enlightenment and only he knows the truth of the magical bird.

thus, on an individual level, its difficult to know if what you know is real or not. this is why we look to things that can be objectively verified. like a measurement. you give two people the same ruler and tell them to measure a 5 inch object, they'll both find that it is 5 inches (assuming they know how to use a ruler). if one of them says "for me, it is 8 inches, and my knowledge of this means i have reached enlightenment," that wouldn't work

also yes, penis measurement joke incoming

It’s not that difficult to say you know, actually. Not for me, anyway.

saying "i know because i know" is by definition circular. im asking how you know, and you're response to this point has been "i just do." it's not useful

[Blake]

don't worry about blake... he thinks i'm a druggy and doesn't believe a higher power exists.

You use psychedelics and say you've seen "The Light" while doing so. You very literally said those words.

[mingus]

it was in response to this line of discussion







saying "i know because i know" is by definition circular. im asking how you know, and you're response to this point has been "i just do." it's not useful

You’re missing a very key statement that I made in all of that. I have no obligation to tell you how I know.

[Blake]

You are putting words in my mouth. I don’t need to prove anything. Me giving that example is not me trying to show that I’m a badass. If you read it that way, then you miss the point entirely.

It's your claim that you'd have a smile on your face while being inhumanely tortured. Those are literally your words.

I know you can never back up that claim. It's stupid.

[spurraider21]

I have no obligation to tell you how I know.

well yeah, but...

I’m not ashamed of His words. I’ve my reasons for not revealing them on this board. If you want to pm me, then I’d be happy to share my experiences with you so long as you can show me a modi of respect.

and there are no other possible explanations of what went down other than "the very god as described in the bible actively punished me?"

i'm legitimately curious... if you dont want to post it here but are more comfortable via pm, that would be cool

just reeks of evasion

[koriwhat]

You use psychedelics and say you've seen "The Light" while doing so. You very literally said those words.

and? that makes me a druggy huh? like i said before, my def and yours are polar opposites. i still hold firm that you talk out your ass on most things and this is definitely a subject you know absolutely nothing about but pretend to.

[RandomGuy]

Humans have an almost unlimited talent for self-deception, and twist themselves in knots to maintain delusions.

I understand the human brain, too. I understand it very, very well.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Disagree on what? Humans can be delusional, and think of reasons to self-deceive in order to maintain their delusions?

I am not saying you are delusional, 100% about talking to some "God".

Problem is that you aren't the only person claiming that. People claim that kind of thing all the time, and the accounts actively contradict each other. SOMEBODY has to be delusional, and sorting out who/what is, is more time than I have on the planet.

[RandomGuy]

Dude, I'm not the one thinking anybody knows the answer to all this. Who would listen to anyone who said they did, well? You really didn't see this?

Or don't stretch yourself. Whatever. I don't expect much from you when it comes to reasoning or critical thinking. Sokay. You do you man, and that just doesn't involve thinking/reasoning.

[RandomGuy]

So IOW, I’m crazy. Even though you have no way of knowing that. Okay.

He's saying that there is no difference to the rest of us. Two people "know" things that no one else can see or hear.

If there is some deity out there, it could do a lot better than talking to a few isolated individuals here and there, and being indistinguishable from crazy people, IF it gave a .

Either it doesn't give a , or it doesn't exist. Both have the same effect on what I should believe.

[Spurtacular]

take a die and roll it 10 times. record your results.

the odds of you rolling that sequence was 1 in 60,466,176

does that mean a god must have stepped in and controlled the die? because thats pretty in improbable

Not sure how you think this is even applicable.

[Spurtacular]

That's not a scientific basis of creationism. That's an argument for giving up on science out of laziness.

What is the scientific basis of creationism?

#FullRe

[Pavlov]

#FullRe

You didn't answer the question.

What is the scientific basis of creationism?

[Spurtacular]

You didn't answer the question.

What is the scientific basis of creationism?

Been answered, head.

[Pavlov]

Been answered, head.

Actually, it hasn't.

You described your personal incredulity that it could be anything but creationism.

That isn't science.

What is the scientific basis of creationism?

[ElNono]

I know what it is. And I know that it is not an absolute truth. If you think so, then you're going on faith.

Not at all, while the entire theory isn't at this time entirely testable, good portions of it are.

Dogma requires, per se, a non-testable leap of faith. That's not science, and that's not the theory of evolution either.