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When did this happen? Were those his doctors or league doctors?[
When/where did he say this? During the last game or on a segment after the game off court?
When did this happen? Were those his doctors or league doctors?[
Yeah, that's what I got out of that too.
It must be nice to collect 19 million and still have the option not to play PRESENTLY because your unsure if you want to play here in the FUTURE. All those saying he needs to protect himself for the next contract, seem to forget he's been paid to play now.
Does anyone know who Kawhi's doctors are or where they are based? That might be telling.
For example, are they based in LA, NY, SA? How many or them are they? Are they an existing "team" or group of doctors or are they an ad hoc assembly?
Are there more than one set of doctors and have some cleared him and some not? Where do the NY doctors fit in to this mix?
What are their reputations? Are they esteemed experts who must be respected or "yes men" hacks who would give the patient (or his employer) any opinion (or prescription) the patient wanted?
It is surprising in this much examined story that such basic reporting seems too be missing.
Meanwhile, Kawhi has stopped attending home games.
This injury has lingered for 6 months now. Ud think he reptured his achillis.
Every single one (including the NY) cleared him but his personal ones who said that it's possible that there's some micro fractures that they didn't catch
If we talk about how the roster is built, the style of game of a team, how the offense works, it's all on the coach.
Chemistry can help to make the system successful but it's not that crucial. Kobe-Shaq won rings while hating each other, there are many examples of lack of chemitry among sports champs.
His only presence on court makes his teammates better, this whole team looked better with him last seasons.That IS Kawhi 's biggest dilemma in any team. He cannot be anything but the leading player and ball getter but he can't lead his team or make other star players better. For a team's benefit he fits in much better as a strong second option following leadership (14-15 Spurs) which in turn is a total disservice to his immense on baller talent.
I've said before it's so hard for a young guy to be a leader off-court with multiple HOFers and CIA Pop on the same team.
Look at this season. LMA's Spurs best player on court but Manu/Parker are still the vocal leaders off-court.
We know that Kawhi stayed close to some young Spurs' players, they already said he called/texted them all season.
I guess if Kawhi joins a young team, he would feel like it's his team finally and not Pop/Manu/Parker's team.
But also, like DenialTwist said, I wouldn't worry that much about leadership on/off court.
There were many successful teams where tops players have been the #1 option/leader on court while other teammates were the vocal, locker-room leaders.
Last edited by YGWHI; 03-31-2018 at 10:16 AM.
Well, Kawhi being not a leader but our best player isn't always a problem. Kareem was the best player on the 80s Lakers through at least 86, but Magic was the leader. Manu and Tony are there to provide the leadership if Kawhi and LMA lack it. DJ is clearly trying to make strides in the leadership department. Patty too (though it would help a lot if his game was better).
There are ways around it if your best player is not your best leader. There aren't many ways around it if your best player won't step on the court.
Do you really think that SAEN beat writter would say something that Pop disapproves? Just read his articles/tweets, he's PATFO media voice.
When media sports "personalities" on National TV are like "if Kawhi says he's injured, he's injured", RC/Pop need to do some damage-control, Jeff is the perfect "yes, man" for this.
He didn't say the latter.
This about this financially. It may not be about Kawhi's brand, making more in a larger market. It could be about a degenerative condition. Kawhi simply might not be the player he was ever again. Stepping on the court for an extended period when he is supposed to be "healthy" could prove that beyond any doubt. This summer is the ONE shot, therefore, to sign a supermax, but he can't show his cards. Make the story about wanting a trade, and not about limited ability. MILLIONS on the line. Spurs could play along. A Supermax player trade nets more.
They can't trade him for a year after signing a supermax extension.
Don't shoot the messenger I was just reporting what Drob said. Yes I have known for years the best player on a team is not always the leader. Also the Spurs taking shots at Kawhi will not lower his trade value. Teams are more than willing to take a chance on a superstar regardless of him having a bad reputation.
Interesting take. Personally I believe Kawhi has a physical issue and possibly a mental one, as well. So, your theory sounds plausible to me. One thing is certain - we on ST don't have a clue, and will not have one until almost immediately before it happens - be it trade or contract extension. It will have to percolate up to the national media level because the probing local media will be just as self-blinded and self-gagged as ever regarding the Spurs.
I don't remember who was tarred and feathered for the suggestion, but some prescient poster observed a year or more ago that the Spurs would be best served by utilizing Kawhi as a super second option. Turns out that is probably what would have been best for the team and Kawhi. It seems clear that the "it's Kawhi's team now" drumbeat that started up after his finals MVP was never embraced or endorsed by Kawhi, himself. Before that he was the league's best defender and, for most of a season, it's best 3-point shooter. But Pop wanted a Kobe, instead, so he transformed Kawhi into the iso-focus of the offense, trying to turn a great, albeit totally reticent BB player into a team leader on offense and defense as well as the off-court leader/face of the franchise. It seems that may not have sat very well.
The problem was that the Spurs tried to shoe-horn Kawhi into a leadership role without regard for his ability or desire. I suspect the team recognized that there was a serious leadership crisis looming with Timmy's departure. As old as he was, Tim had the resume, cachet and personality to still be the leader of a team that was changing character. But Manu and Tony do not appear to have that same ability with the younger guys. (In fact, they may be perceived as mere Pop-puppets.) As many have noted, LMA wants to be the #1 option on the floor, but he doesn't really work as a leader on or off the floor. Certainly not the face of the franchise. Patty was given an audition, but he has been undermined by his very patchy play this season. Pau and Rudy aren't viable options. Who is there to fill the leadership void that Tim left behind?
That's my point, Pop hasn't said anything negative about Kawhi. He's says it's unfortunate and every one is doing the best they can. Jeff's post seems like a negative dig at Kawhi. If Jeff is speaking for Pop then things are worse than I thought.
Specially note the reference that Lamarcus did it for his teammates. it’s just the truth that they don’t win the last game without him. For that reason I am glad that they pulled out the win. His efforts weren’t wasted.
Kawhi just doesn’t feel like a part of the team at this point.
Those black media guys have white bosses, ESPN/ABC/TNT owners who only care about selling stories, ratings, views/RTs/likes.
If they support Kawhi is just for business. Because it how media works, they have always done it that way.
If the story about Kawhi's stoic guy being bullied doesn't have rating/followers, they would have changed their narrative about him in a second.
I just try that other people racial biases don't affect my life. I know it sounds naive/candid/stupid but I really try.To me you showed your were clueless about race when you were getting emotional in a post a few weeks ago because you were shocked that your black friends had told you that they believed Draymond was a real black man since he shows emotions and speaks out on issues...The majority of people have racial biases towards their own race in this world and to act like they don't is showing you lack awareness.
I truly believe Kawhi's injured so "uncle" version doesn't make sense to me. I guess if Parker/Manu talked about him, it was for the same reason that JeffMcDonald is doing it...Just PATFO doing damage control.You could be right about Pop being behind Tony and Manu peaking out about Kawhi's injury to the media. But ask yourself this question why would Parker and Manu then willingly take the bullet for Pop? I know you are going to say loyalty but I doubt it. Its possible that Manu and Tony could know the real deal behind Kawhi's injury in which it's not legit and know of the bs Kawhi's uncle is trying to pull. I'm guessing they are fed up with this bs and just have had enough of it. Both Manu and Parker are on the verge of retiring so unlike other teammates they are in a position where they don't have to worry about their future in this league.
I was talking about...Your Paul George example is a terrible example because PG was actually honest with his teammates from the get go that he wanted to be in LA and because of that there was no drama with his teammates.
PG/Hibbert issues, not for Hibbert wife, just because they really hate each other
PG throwing his coach under the bus in public when he suggested PG should play at 4 "It's not going to be logging 30 minutes at the power forward...I don't know if I'm cut out for a 4 spot"
PG throwing on CJ Milles..."I gotta get the last shot".
Paul George wasn't exactly the most beloved player in that locker room.
We all watched OKC games where KD asked for the ball and Russ didn't even look at him...KD's face told a lot about...I doubt KD/Russ teammates ignored the whole thing.Your KD example is another bad example because there was no chemistry problems in OKC. KD was very passive in OKC so his teammates didn't know that he actually hated playing with Westbrook including Westbrook himself. How are they going to trash KD during the time they played with him if they didn't know he actually hated playing with them? Hence why KD has gotten the nickname the snake.
For the record the difference between max and super max is...ton of millions.I have heard Nick Wright even say he was going to get the max regardless of this injury. The only thing he risks possibly losing is the super max but he would still get offers on the open market for the max.
"Pop says Spurs medical staff in agreement with Kawhi's doctors"...Who knows.It's hard for me to believe the spurs medical staff and RC/Pop have suddenly jumped the shark when it comes to credibility.
https://twitter.com/GregSimmonsKSAT/...72660953956360
I just read a guy here saying Kawhi's cancer...He doesn't know . He deserves a player who says all what Paul George said about his teammates/coach.If I'm proven wrong about this I will gladly eat crow like I have in the past about other subjects on this forum. I have taken my stance on this issue and you have taken yours. We will see who is right.
He deserves a player questioning Mills/Pau deals in public like "I have to carry old guys my whole career in SA and these two overpaid now?"
He deserves a guy like KD using fake Tw accounts to talk about his coach and teammates...
When the team gets that player, he'll know how a cancer-locker room realy looks..
Last edited by YGWHI; 03-31-2018 at 01:31 PM.
That meeting with his teammates “imploring” him to return gets a whole new meaning in context.
him not showing up at games and the comments from David Robinson about his lack of leadership also implies he doesn’t care about them.
It's really bad.
I try to stay positive, at the same time I can't imagine Pop Kawhi Parker Manu coexisting, working together again after what they said.
Enough man. Does Kawhi have no blame in this? Or has your fandom clouded your judgment? In what world would you be cool with a teammate acting like he has? And I'm even granting you that he could be injured. His aloofness and inability to make the situation clear to his team and coaches ought to be concerning to you.
Well mermaids are beautiful... oh wait I got sidetracked
I’ve thought of this too. Specially bc him being injured is sometimes put in doubt, which is a perfect deflection. Make it about anything else but the injury.
I always come back to the injury though. What if he’s ok to play but he’s just not going to be the same player?
I’ve also thought about the possibility that he’s not ever going to be really pain free. There could be flaring up if it’s a chronic or degenerative condition. There’s careers that have ended bc of things like that. Or guys who look washed up like Chandler Parsons. Do the Spurs want to have a supermaxed Chandler Parsons?
It’s not good any way we look at it. If he’s injured beyond repair is worse than if he’s just autistic and doesn’t care about anyone or whatever.
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