Manu is ahead of D-Rob; I've said so a million times. Sorry, but you don't put Horace Grant ahead of Scottie Pippen.
And the fact that I can't even think of who Mitch and Moore are off the top of my head....no.
Is carmelo top 5 in knick history?
Manu is ahead of D-Rob; I've said so a million times. Sorry, but you don't put Horace Grant ahead of Scottie Pippen.
And the fact that I can't even think of who Mitch and Moore are off the top of my head....no.
It doesn't, tbh, but we only have 1 ring to show for it... Tim by his 6th season was 2x NBA champ, 2x League MVP and that's including busting his knee midway through all that, AND had the Spurs shining as the top team in the NBA for time to come...
I mean, I don't want to bring down Kawhi to discuss this, he's indisputably a great talent, but while it's true he revitalized the Spurs at a key time, the franchise itself doesn't have that much to show for it, tbh... unless the bar now is the regular season...
Tim is a top 5 player all time, so saying "he didn't live up to Tim" isn't exactly to declare a catastrophe.
1 ring is more than most NBA franchises claimed in the last 6 years. 4 conference finals appearances, 2 finals, and 1 rebound away from back-to-back chips. It's been a good run.
If he leaves this summer he is not
I'd say my Top
1. TD
2. David
3. Ice
4. Tony
5. Kawhi
6. Manu
7. LMA
8. Sean
9. Bruce
10. Moore
Like I said I'm not going to on him to prop up somebody else, tbh, but nobody remembers 2nd place...
James Silas should be in the discussion too
Just curious: what's your reason behind putting Kawhi before Manu? I love Leonard and what he has done for us. Hope he'll get his hit togerther and kicks ass for the Spurs for a long, long time. But imo, he hasn't done yet what Manu has done for the franchise. Is it because of the FMVP and/or the DPOYs?
Manu is my second favorite player all time behind Timmy, so I won't EVER say anything negative about him. But, yes, the FMVP and DPOYs, and just his general dominace (when playing) nudged him in front of Manu (and nearly Tony) if I am objective. Manu, Tony and Kawhi can almost be ranked in any order and I'd have no issue. Tony get the slight nod over Manu because of a year more service, more health, and in the 2011-2014 era with Tony as lead was a bit longer and more successful then 2008-2011 which was the time Pop tried to let Manu really take over after Timmy's prime was in slight decline. But there will be no one I'll hate to see retire more than Manu.
Lol Manu playing against second units his whole career being ahead of FMVP Parker.
1. Duncan
2. Robinson
3. Kawhi
4. Manu
5. Gervin
97. Speedy Claxton
98. Beno Udrih
99. Patty Mills
100. Enrique Porker
9 WCF, 5 Finals, 4 les, 1 FMVP > 0 WCF CP0
At this stage I do not rank Kawhi over Manu.
For me, right now, I'd put Manu ahead of Kawhi because of his years of service as a Spur. Leonard, if he gets his together and continues to dominate fools for us, is certainly on the path to surpass Ginobili as well as TP. I'm with you (and your reasoning) ranking Tony slightly higher than Manu.
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I was going to question as well why Kawhi ahead of Manu but good point.
I still put Manu ahead for his overall impact and length as a spur, but if Kawhi stays a couple more years a least I might change my pov...
You do realize that I'm far from a CP0 apologist, right? Both of these guys are losers. You could put Porker on the Hornets and Clippers in place of CP0 and they would still lose the same way. Don't confuse being carried by Duncan/Manu/Kawhi and bailed out by the backup PGs with earning it.
You don’t have RJefferson anywhere? Long b4 I watched the Spurs but fans always have a beef with him.
Scoooooooooooola thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I apologize, I don't think I've never read one of your posts...but I'll take your response as meaning that you're likely one of those folks I'm referring to.
I can certainly respect all of your opinions. If Kawhi stays he pass Tony in my book, if he leaves he could even drop.
Manu is like the most decorated spur with chanpionships and ind awards outside of the nba. How do you rank a media hyped tim successor and james rival over someone who is more decorated, and gave up individual personal accolades in the nba to come off bench..?
That just means you're ignorant tbh.
Decorated and influential - if you're thinking globally and not NBA-centricly. I don't know who actually was the first to employ the Euro-step, but I feel pretty confident in saying it was Manu who brought it to widespread use.
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