Just how wrong were we about Kawhi?

[DPG21920]

Kawhi has plenty to gain by sitting out. He knows that as long as he’s been giving a clear bill of health he’s going to get a max offer. The ONLY thing that could derail that is if he came back and suffered a bad injury.

So him going into the Summer “healthy” guarantees him a max DPE from SA

[SAGirl]

Kawhi has plenty to gain by sitting out. He knows that as long as he’s been giving a clear bill of health he’s going to get a max offer. The ONLY thing that could derail that is if he came back and suffered a bad injury.

So him going into the Summer “healthy” guarantees him a max DPE from SA

I hope you are right and this is resolved for the better.

I don't see it bc it's unusual for him to have sat the entire season. I am worried that's a chronic injury he has. But ok, fingers crossed. Hoping and wishing him the best.

If he's just a snake and this is some plot to get out...

[spurs10]

I hope you are right and this is resolved for the better.

I don't see it bc it's unusual for him to have sat the entire season. I am worried that's a chronic injury he has. But ok, fingers crossed. Hoping and wishing him the best.

If he's just a snake and this is some plot to get out...

I don't think this has been about him playing us, he's under contract next season and has 217 million reasons to play...or is it 219 reasons. Maybe DPG is right and he doesn't want to test fate by playing in the playoffs even if healthy. It would be a shocker if he came back though.

[SAGirl]

I don't think this has been about him playing us, he's under contract next season and has 217 million reasons to play...or is it 219 reasons. Maybe DPG is right and he doesn't want to test fate by playing in the playoffs even if healthy. It would be a shocker if he came back tough.

I truly am not expecting him this season... As it concerns him it's more about whether he will be the same player next year for me. No way to know right now.

[spurs10]

I truly am not expecting him this season... As it concerns him it's more about whether he will be the same player next year for me. No way to know right now.

Yep that's the question. Maybe I'm being delusional, but I think that's the reason for him being so cautious and he's getting the greatest treatment possible to guarantee a return to 100%. I still contend the Spurs medical staff did not recommend surgery and that's part of why this has been hard to understand. Apparently for TP that's for sure... I'm keeping the faith and have been pleasantly surprised seeing this group focus and try to live up to their potential no matter what that may be. Good win today when Haren didn't get every call in the world.

[YGWHI]

LMAO the way his teammates are treating him

If they were gonna have a players' meeting/convo after a game, I can't see the need of Parker saying "my injury 100 times worse"/Manu talking about "his personality" in public.

You don't see players talking to the media about KD fake Tw accounts/weird personality, about Melo black-hole game this season, about off-court Smart's injury...

Airing locker-room issues is not a good sign. That's why I doubt the Spurs want to offer him an extension at this point.

[DPG21920]

Tony was asked a very specific question - why does SA have to continue to lie or not answer honestly when Kawhi is the one leaving them to answer on his behalf?

[weebo]

You need to go back and re visit those videos (Manu/TP)--They said nothing to question KL character or willingness to suit up and play. TP was just sticking up for the medical staff and Manu was being honest because the team needs to move on from waiting on KL to comeback this year from his injury.

[YGWHI]

Tony was asked a very specific question - why does SA have to continue to lie or not answer honestly when Kawhi is the one leaving them to answer on his behalf?

Yes, they have to...That's what players/coaches do all time in this league.

When media asked Harden/McHale about some issues between them, they denied it while both worked together on the same team..A few months later McHale got fired and he finally admitted the problems.

I also doubt they asked Manu a very specific question about Kawhi's personality.

Again, if they were gonna have a meeting, they shouldn't have talked to the media. Just let those things in the locker room like other franchises have done while the player is still on the roster.

[spurs10]

You need to go back and re visit those videos (Manu/TP)--They said nothing to question KL character or willingness to suit up and play. TP was just sticking up for the medical staff and Manu was being honest because the team needs to move on from waiting on KL to comeback this year from his injury.

I did feel that Tony was responding to negative speculation about he Spurs medical staff. My ad nauseum response to all this is- if Kawhi had been told he needed surgery and was hurt as 'bad' as TP this would be a different story. He'd have just been out 8 months without all the drama of 'maybe coming back.'

[YGWHI]

Manu was being honest because the team needs to move on from waiting on KL to comeback this year from his injury.

It's clear the team needed to move on, he was right. But he also talked about Kawhi's "personality", about him not being "involved with the team", he just "focus on his game..."
There was no need of that.

Can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player.

[weebo]

I did feel that Tony was responding to negative speculation about he Spurs medical staff. My ad nauseum response to all this is- if Kawhi had been told he needed surgery and was hurt as 'bad' as TP this would be a different story. He'd have just been out 8 months without all the drama of 'maybe coming back.'

Well, we really don't know how serious his injury is because all we know is that it's a quad injury. It might come out in the offseason that he needs surgery but the Spurs or KL wanted to take a conservative approach instead of opting for surgery this preseason.

Regardless, someone in the Spurs medical staff or KL camp misdiagnosed the severity of the injury and KL is rehabbing thinking he might still play this year.

I've said it before--all this drama we're hearing with KL/PATFO is just "fake news" fabricated by the media--No where have a seen or heard Pop or KL/camp say they're moving on and looking for a fresh start.

If KL wanted out or if the Spurs wanted KL gone, KL would be playing on some other team right now. They had plenty of time to make a deal prior to the trading deadline.

[weebo]

It's clear the team needed to move on, he was right. But he also talked about Kawhi's "personality", about him not being "involved with the team", he just "focus on his game..."
There was no need of that.

Can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player.

Nothing that Manu said in that interview was to take a shot at KL--same with that infamous team meeting--same as when Manu propped up LA for playing after tweaking his knee--same as when Pop said he would have to think about inserting a player that's missed so much of the season--etc.

If KL was as butt hurt as some of you TMZ s, do you think he would be in NY rehabbing this late in the season? He would just call it a day and take himself out the rest of the season. Why go through all this drama if your plan is just to sit out the year? It doesn't make sense.

[gilmor]

LMAO the way his teammates are treating him

Kawhi is handling this wrong. SA has been amazingly gracious shielding Kawhi from having to answer for his actions/absence along with being patient.

I haven't seen a player as china doll as Kawhi.. either you retire or you suit up to play.. bottom line

Duncan and DRob played until their wheels fell off..

[YGWHI]

Nothing that Manu said in that interview was to take a shot at KL

Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter. Other players don't talk about the franchise player. It hurts the franchise generating uncertainty and speculation.

I said "can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player"...Can you?

If KL was as butt hurt as some of you TMZ s, do you think he would be in NY rehabbing this late in the season? He would just call it a day and take himself out the rest of the season. Why go through all this drama if your plan is just to sit out the year? It doesn't make sense.

Unlike other people here I never doubted about Kawhi's work ethic and his intentions to keep playing for the Spurs.

"TMZ s"?? You seem mad...Why? C'mon. We're just talking

[weebo]

Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter. Other players don't talk about the franchise player. It hurts the franchise generating uncertainty and speculation.

I said "can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player"...Can you?



Unlike other people here I never doubted about Kawhi's work ethic and his intentions to keep playing for the Spurs.

"TMZ s"?? You seem mad...Why? C'mon. We're just talking

Manu was responding to a question that was asked. He didn't pull quotes out of his ass at random or tweet some bull just to take a shot at KL.

And why would I be mad? This place has turned into TMZ, just calling it like it is--the great majority of you here prefer gossip over facts. Everything that the media has spouted is gossip. Again, show me proof where KL has said he does not want to play for the Spurs or PATFO say they will look into trading KL?

[south side spur]

Yes, they have to...That's what players/coaches do all time in this league.

When media asked Harden/McHale about some issues between them, they denied it while both worked together on the same team..A few months later McHale got fired and he finally admitted the problems.

I also doubt they asked Manu a very specific question about Kawhi's personality.

Again, if they were gonna have a meeting, they shouldn't have talked to the media. Just let those things in the locker room like other franchises have done while the player is still on the roster.

1) Don’t compare the Spurs to other franchises. That’s what makes this organization the greatest in team sports. They don’t adhere to the status quo of this leagues bull 2) I hope Kawhi isn’t as much of a snowflake as his Kawhite knights. The truth can’t be heard especially if it places him in a negative light. Tony had a ruptured tendon Kawhi didn’t. Everyone knows that but oh please don’t verbalize it lets pretend it never happened. Victim role bull .

That’s how life works. If you don’t speak then a narrative is created for you regardless. If you don’t like it it’s simple. Speak up. Even that doesn’t always work but at least your voice is out there. Obviously Kawhi’s interview didn’t stop the circus his condition created and that’s on him no one else. But you Kawhite knights will never accept that. Victim role bull .

The Spurs are the standard when handling injuries and the media is actually starting to question their competency so guess what? The organization isn’t going to just remain silent like Kawhi and let a narrative be created. That’s total horse .

Of course you’re going to doubt Ginobili and even if he was asked a specific question it wouldn’t matter. You’d still make up some victim role bull about how Kawhi is being portrayed. It can never be about how the team actually feels about this circus because they don’t ing matter their feelings right? It’s all about Kawhi’s apparent fragile psyche that’s all that matters to you.

[YGWHI]

Manu was responding to a question that was asked. He didn't pull quotes out of his ass at random or tweet some bull just to take a shot at KL.

No one asked him about Kawhi's personality or his relationship with the team. They just asked if he expected Kawhi to come back...

And why would I be mad? This place has turned into TMZ, just calling it like it is--the great majority of you here prefer gossip over facts. Everything that the media has spouted is gossip. Again, show me proof where KL has said he does not want to play for the Spurs or PATFO say they will look into trading KL?

I agree with you about media creating drama. I've said the same thing about this saga, I posted all time how media rumors have manipulated us.

I'm just saying, this was an interview, it wasn't gossip.

[YGWHI]

That’s how life works. If you don’t speak then a narrative is created for you regardless.

Teammates shouldn't help to create media narratives.

if he was asked a specific question it wouldn’t matter.

He wasn't asked about Kawhi's personality. They asked him if he expected Kawhi to come back...

You’d still make up some victim role bull about how Kawhi is being portrayed. It can never be about how the team actually feels about this circus because they don’t ing matter their feelings right? It’s all about Kawhi’s apparent fragile psyche that’s all that matters to you.

What's victim role? This isn't just about Kawhi.

We shouldn't approve now something we criticized in the past about other players and teams.

I'd say the same thing if it was Kawhi talking about Manu or any other teammate in public.

[tholdren]

It's clear the team needed to move on, he was right. But he also talked about Kawhi's "personality", about him not being "involved with the team", he just "focus on his game..."
There was no need of that.

Can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player.

Not a franchise player, as we all can see from this drama. Hes basically melo, but dumber and better on d

[weebo]

No one asked him about Kawhi's personality or his relationship with the team. They just asked if he expected Kawhi to come back...


I agree with you about media creating drama. I've said the same thing about this saga, I posted all time how media rumors have manipulated us.

I'm just saying, this was an interview, it wasn't gossip.

Again, re visit the video. Nothing Manu said was to take a shot at KL. He was asked about his own perspective on what it's like to be away from the team and how hard it is for someone like KL who isn't very social--Manu went as far as to compliment KL for his work ethic and focus and concluded by saying that it would be harder for him to feel like he's part of the team (because of his introverted nature) when you're away from the team rehabbing and not playing, away from team meetings, etc.

[south side spur]

Teammates shouldn't help to create media narratives.


He wasn't asked about Kawhi's personality. They asked him if he expected Kawhi to come back...

We shouldn't approve now something we criticized in the past about other players and teams.

I'd say the same thing if it was Kawhi talking about Manu or any other teammate in public.

As long as you realize that Kawhi not talking deserves more credit than anyone else for creating this circus.

[YGWHI]

Again, re visit the video. Nothing Manu said was to take a shot at KL. He was asked about his own perspective on what it's like to be away from the team and how hard it is for someone like KL who isn't very social--Manu went as far as to compliment KL for his work ethic and focus and concluded by saying that it would be harder for him to feel like he's part of the team (because of his introverted nature) when you're away from the team rehabbing and not playing, away from team meetings, etc.

I re-read Tom Orsborn article and re-watched the vid while posting this...Sorry I disagree, we don't see this in the same way but it's fine.

[DPG21920]

Yes, they have to...That's what players/coaches do all time in this league.

When media asked Harden/McHale about some issues between them, they denied it while both worked together on the same team..A few months later McHale got fired and he finally admitted the problems.

I also doubt they asked Manu a very specific question about Kawhi's personality.

Again, if they were gonna have a meeting, they shouldn't have talked to the media. Just let those things in the locker room like other franchises have done while the player is still on the roster.

If you are going to go by this logic (meaning what is the “norm”) then how are you not all over Kawhi for not being a leader or present? What Kawhi is doing is the opposite of almost every other player. Not being there at the games, ducking from interviews as the face of the franchise, not being a team events, etc...

Fair is fair and you cannot knock players being asked questions because Kawhi is refusing to do interviews and then not knock Kawhi.

[DPG21920]

Yes, they have to...That's what players/coaches do all time in this league.

When media asked Harden/McHale about some issues between them, they denied it while both worked together on the same team..A few months later McHale got fired and he finally admitted the problems.

I also doubt they asked Manu a very specific question about Kawhi's personality.

Again, if they were gonna have a meeting, they shouldn't have talked to the media. Just let those things in the locker room like other franchises have done while the player is still on the roster.

Also you keep blaming sa and not Kawhi for everything. Who do you think is leaking this stuff to Woj? Could definitely be Kawhi’s camp and there have been more than enough rumors about that to give it real authority.