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    Jesus christ Chris. You are really so stupid you don't think white privilege exist? That is gem number three for the night.

    As a white male born to a upper/middle class family I can promise you white privilege is real. Honestly anyone that can't see that simply doesn't want to see it and honestly probably doesn't hang out with many people of color.
    "White privilege" is a term invented to divide the population. It serves no purpose at all even if you do think it exists.

    What you actually achieve is white guilt. Which is an absolutely terrible outcome. It will only lead to exactly what this thread is expecting, which is for people to go out of their way(change standards) to achieve the unreasonable goal of equality of outcome.

    It's also absolutely terrible concept to thrust on to the black population. What better way than that to make a population feel hopeless which will discourage them from putting in max effort to change their lives? The feeling of being hopeless has massive effects on people.

    It's an absolute cancer to our country.

    Instead of blanket terms that serve absolutely no purpose but to divide people and lead to terrible outcomes you can focus on actionable areas to improve. For example, mass incarceration could easily be focused on and make a significant difference in the black community. The majority of people could focus on this goal and real positive change can actually occur. There is certainly more effective ways to combat drug uses than long sentences. This will allow more black men to be involved with their family. A massive achievement for black Americans(for all Americans really).

    If you just want to throw out blanket terms that aren't actionable in any way then we will go nowhere. You actually need to focus on quantifiable issues if you want to tackle them.

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    The objective is not always to put together a team of the most qualified (X) number of applicants. Good hiring managers make a point to pull from a diverse set of backgrounds, and racial/ethnic/gender diversity is a part of that. You're building a team, not rewarding people based on merit or even going after some kind of quota. The best companies in the world have highly diverse talent pools. Proctor & Gamble doesn't hire token blacks to put in charge of multimillion dollar brands. These are highly qualified, very smart people.

    It's the same way a basketball team tries to build a roster with complimentary skillsets. If qualifications were not subjective, there'd be no point in having a draft because you'd just rank every player and divvy up to the teams as ranked.

    I've already said I don't think the intern photo tells the whole story, but if I was in charge of a Republican White House intern group? I'd definitely make a point to pull a larger number of minorities. Not for show or for a photo op, or for a quota, but because it would be very valuable for that group of interns to work with people from backgrounds more diverse than which state they're from or which Ivy League school their parents met at.
    This is outcome is a combination of many different inputs. As I mentioned in one of my comments to Chris, even the most merit focused will bend a little to achieve some diversity. You can't completely change the standard though. You can't have the standard of college degree and then change that for diversity. You will certainly not get the same levels of representation of the population which was being touted as the goal earlier in the this thread.

    The best companies in the world having diverse employment isn't necessarily because of the diverse talent. A company that shoots for diversity is showing the inclination for change instead of a company that doesn't which is more likely to be stagnate.

    That being said I would agree that infusing diversity should have some benefits. You should be able to get that diversity with the same merit though. Or very minimal bend because merit matters most. At the end of the day you won't come close to population representation unless you change the merit completely.

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    no, its about acknowledging an ugly truth... because only then will we ever take steps to correct deep rooted issues. pretending problems dont exist is never going to lead us to solve those problems. do some people claim victimhood where its inapplicable? sure. that doesn't invalidate societal problems

    that's like saying we should stop social security right now because some people commit social security fraud

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    Blacks are about the same percentage in this picture (2-3%) as at Google and Facebook. Women are about 43% in this picture compared to 31% (20% tech) at Google and 35% (19% tech) at Facebook. Maybe some should pile on the tech companies as they do the WH. I wonder why the discrepancy between 35% and 19% tech (women) at FB.

    2017 numbers:

    https://www.recode.net/2017/6/29/158...men-leadership

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/02/face...y-numbers.html

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    The White House is a tech company now?

    You guys need new talking points. Tell Sean and Tucker to go back to the drawing board.

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    Why don't we apply those same arguments to the NBA? If diversity is so important, maybe we should have the token x% white, 14% black, y% hispanic and z% asian. Oh, yeah, because in sport, we want the very best based on their basketball skill, not the color of their skin.

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    OK, you must be able to dunk to get into the White House intern program.

    If we're just going to make up requirements....

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    Why don't we apply those same arguments to the NBA? If diversity is so important, maybe we should have the token x% white, 14% black, y% hispanic and z% asian. Oh, yeah, because in sport, we want the very best based on their basketball skill, not the color of their skin.
    That's how easy it is to dismantle that kind of nonsense. Simply reverse the roles. Well done.

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    DMC springs into action!

    WHAT COLOR ARE YOU???????

    YEAH!!!!
    WHAT COLOR ARE YOU????
    BUT WHAT COLOR ARE YOU?????
    What color are you?
    All these white people with fake outrage for another race.


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    All these white people with fake outrage for another race.

    how long did it take for you to come up with that retort?

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    Last but not least we shouldn't forget the divisive propaganda that the left pumps out that would lower the numbers of qualified applicants from seeking a position.

    What do you think is in the little raghead's backpack? You know damn well.

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    how long did it take for you to come up with that retort?
    I only needed to post it once to get your response though. Triggered.

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    And anyone think that maybe (since most blacks vote Democrat) that they just don't WANT to be interns in Trump's WH and didn't apply?

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    white privilege isn't some active force that keeps down minorities in every step of their lives.

    more generally, it speaks to the fact that minorities tend to have additional obstacles and hurdles that white people simply dont have to account for. we've already seen experiments, for example, where identical job applications are submitted with different names, and the minority-named applicants get significantly less responses. white people in new york didnt really have to worry about stop and frisk when that was going on. white people are less likely to be profiled by law enforcement.

    similar with sex. a guy walking to his car at night doesn't have to constantly scan his field of vision for potential threats... at least not nearly to the degree women have to. men sitting on subways or buses dont need to worry about creeps nearly as often.

    these are just little things that can add up over a lifetime. but it's much less effective when you can look at individual cir stances, and say "oh that guy only succeeded because of white privilege." its more apparent on a grander scale, when you're able to look at statistics, rather than the micro scale

    though if we're gonna look at a specific case a black/hispanic guy who underage drunk drove and killed people probably wouldn't have gotten away with an "affluenza" defense imho
    Individual issues can open up conversation but blanket statements that serve no useful purpose is a non starter. It's really only meant to to divide us.

    Your specific issues allow us to combat the problems. The experiments for job applicants allow companies to upgrade their HR and make better hiring decisions.

    Stop and frisk was a nightmare policy for any American regardless of race. It certainly impacted minorities more often than whites. Regardless the policy should not have existed because it just allowed innocent people to get searched on a regular basis. So people agree with the policy because it was effective but that's no excuse to allow it. Illegally searching every house would also be effective but that is unlawful activity. I really hate when people defend that policy.

    Guys are more likely to be victims in that type of situation. They should be on alert. Everybody has just made women for fearful of those situations.

    On the topic of gender and prison sentences: "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." This gender gap is about six times as large as the racial disparity

    I'm pretty sure white men also receive worse sentences than black women. Black men receive the worst of all. Point is blanket statements like "white privilege" and "white male privilege" are divisive and lead to no results. And they don't explain situations like this where "white male privilege" gets the benefits of worse sentences than white and black(I can't find statistics but I've seen them before) women.

    If you look at the grander scale and attribute all the differences to racism then you've reached the wrong conclusion.

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    I only needed to post it once to get your response though. Triggered.
    Yes, you were triggered into demanding more personal information from everyone on the board.

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    Yes, you were triggered into demanding more personal information from everyone on the board.
    *****SPOILER ALERT*****

    Most of you are middle to lower middle class white men

    Easy bet that none of you ever did for any other race other than fake outrage blogging

    Chumpy

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    *****SPOILER ALERT*****

    Most of you are middle to lower middle class white men

    Easy bet that none of you ever did for any other race other than fake outrage blogging

    Chumpy
    another patented DMC narrative.

    You live to tell us about ourselves.

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    another patented DMC narrative.

    You live to tell us about ourselves.
    Ironic statement

    I pegged you as the narrative creator and you try to play that card against me.

    You're the most unoriginal poster here by a mile.

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    Ironic statement
    Just going by what you post.

    You're free to deny it.

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    Just going by what you post.

    You're free to deny it.
    Are you white?

    You're free to deny it.

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    *****SPOILER ALERT*****
    Yes, you were triggered into demanding more personal information from everyone on the board.

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    Translation of Pavlov: Yes I am white, can we please move on?

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    Translation of Pavlov: Yes I am white, can we please move on?
    Now you're stealing Avante's shtick.

    Keep going. Don't move on at all.

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    Dance forum monkey... dance all night long.

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    Dance forum monkey... dance all night long.
    another stolen shtick.


    Do another one. Don't move on at all.

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