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    TSA thinks Mueller would lead with collusion indictments because he's working with Trump to expose Democrats.

    Right?

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    TSA thinks Mueller would lead with collusion indictments because he's working with Trump to expose Democrats.

    Right?

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    [no indictment of someone for something that happened during the campaign schtick]
    Pizzaboichik, that is the ground you want to die on? Really?

    No idea what is going to shake out, but you will never hear the end of it, if an indictment happens. I have zero doubt you will move the goalposts again.

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    Van der Zwann gives info to Mueller and team. Sentenced to 30 days and a 20k fine. Faces deportation.

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    Van der Zwann gives info to Mueller and team. Sentenced to 30 days and a 20k fine. Faces deportation.
    The info he gave to Mueller had nothing to do with the election


    "Prosecutors said van der Zwaan had lied to federal agents and covered it up, trying to destroy emails. They had asked that he be sentenced to some time behind bars as a "general deterrent" but did not make a specific recommendation as to the length.

    The van der Zwaan case did not involve Mueller's central mission of examining potential help for Russian election meddling in 2016. Instead, it grew out of the investigation of Gates and former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, over work they did in Ukraine more than a decade ago."

    "As a lawyer in an international law firm, van der Zwaan worked with Gates and Manafort for a Ukrainian political party closely aligned with Russia. The law firm, Skadden, Arps, Meagher & Flom, was hired by the government of former Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych in 2012 to examine the prosecution of one of his former political rivals.

    The firm's work was supposed to be independent of the lobbying by Manafort and Gates, but van der Zwaan leaked a copy of the report and talking points to Gates and lied about later conversations in 2016 with Gates about how the firm was paid and potential criminal charges against the firm in Ukraine."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...-probe-n862186

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    Pizzaboichik, that is the ground you want to die on? Really?

    No idea what is going to shake out, but you will never hear the end of it, if an indictment happens. I have zero doubt you will move the goalposts again.
    And when no indictments happen concerning Trump/Russia election collusion what will you do? Will you admit you were taken a fool and pushed the DNC propaganda? What will that say about you? Will you take some time for self reflection?

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    You know DJohn's got like a dual monitor setup sitting home scrolling the multiple "muh russia!" Twitter feeds like that guy watching the robot codes in the matrix movie

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    The answer is in there somewhere!


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    You know DJohn's got like a dual monitor setup sitting home scrolling the multiple "muh russia!" Twitter feeds like that guy watching the robot codes in the matrix movie
    And you keep coming back don't you? Yeah you're my .

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    The info he gave to Mueller had nothing to do with the election


    "Prosecutors said van der Zwaan had lied to federal agents and covered it up, trying to destroy emails. They had asked that he be sentenced to some time behind bars as a "general deterrent" but did not make a specific recommendation as to the length.

    The van der Zwaan case did not involve Mueller's central mission of examining potential help for Russian election meddling in 2016. Instead, it grew out of the investigation of Gates and former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, over work they did in Ukraine more than a decade ago."

    "As a lawyer in an international law firm, van der Zwaan worked with Gates and Manafort for a Ukrainian political party closely aligned with Russia. The law firm, Skadden, Arps, Meagher & Flom, was hired by the government of former Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych in 2012 to examine the prosecution of one of his former political rivals.

    The firm's work was supposed to be independent of the lobbying by Manafort and Gates, but van der Zwaan leaked a copy of the report and talking points to Gates and lied about later conversations in 2016 with Gates about how the firm was paid and potential criminal charges against the firm in Ukraine."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...-probe-n862186
    The meltdown is real. Sorry your "nothing to do with the election" theory is dead and gone.

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    And when no indictments happen concerning Trump/Russia election collusion what will you do? Will you admit you were taken a fool and pushed the DNC propaganda? What will that say about you? Will you take some time for self reflection?
    Wanna know whose indictment did not happen? Susan Rice.

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    The meltdown is real. Sorry your "nothing to do with the election" theory is dead and gone.
    van der Zwaan had nothing to do with the election.


    The van der Zwaan case did not involve Mueller's central mission of examining potential help for Russian election meddling in 2016. Instead, it grew out of the investigation of Gates and former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, over work they did in Ukraine more than a decade ago.

    My "nothing to do with the election" theory is still 100% correct.

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    Wanna know whose indictment did not happen? Susan Rice.
    Wanna know who is still not in prison? Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, Kushner.

    Wanna know who is going to make an easy $2000?

    <<<<<<

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    van der Zwaan had nothing to do with the election.


    The van der Zwaan case did not involve Mueller's central mission of examining potential help for Russian election meddling in 2016. Instead, it grew out of the investigation of Gates and former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, over work they did in Ukraine more than a decade ago.

    My "nothing to do with the election" theory is still 100% correct.
    Your manafort thery dead now you're on to VDZ. Sorry TSA. We are on another day that Trump is not cleared.

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    Wanna know who is still not in prison? Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, Kushner.

    Wanna know who is going to make an easy $2000?

    <<<<<<
    Prison comes before indictments? When did that happen?

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    Your manafort thery dead now you're on to VDZ. Sorry TSA. We are on another day that Trump is not cleared.
    Nothing in Manafort's indictment had anything to do with Trump/Russia election collusion.

    Only a dip like yourself would think that Mueller investigating Manafort for election collusion is BREAKING NEWS That is what Mueller has been tasked to do for almost a year.

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    Nothing in Manafort's indictment had anything to do with Trump/Russia election collusion.

    Only a dip like yourself would think that Mueller investigating Manafort for election collusion is BREAKING NEWS That is what Mueller has been tasked to do for almost a year.
    Rosenstein's memo cleary has other charges and allegations redacted. You're upset. Your world is crashing down. Not to mention the memo itself authorized Mueller to investigate Manafort for collusion.

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    And when no indictments happen concerning Trump/Russia election collusion what will you do? Will you admit you were taken a fool and pushed the DNC propaganda? What will that say about you? Will you take some time for self reflection?
    I haven't planted my flag on repeatedly saying there will be indictments. Given the riven corruption and incompetence that seems attracted to Trump, I would be surprised if none were forthcoming.

    I, as always, prefer evidence, and modify my model of reality based on as objective a reading of available information as possible. I self-reflect all the time.

    You however, pick yourself up out of the dungheap after falling face first, then leap to the next with both hands grasping. It is amusing.

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    Prison comes before indictments? When did that happen?
    Wanna know who is still not indicted? Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, Kushner.

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    Wanna know who is still not indicted? Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, Kushner.
    holy that goalpost move

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    Wanna know who is still not indicted? Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, Kushner.
    You forgot to add Susan Rice.

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    I haven't planted my flag on repeatedly saying there will be indictments. Given the riven corruption and incompetence that seems attracted to Trump, I would be surprised if none were forthcoming.

    I, as always, prefer evidence, and modify my model of reality based on as objective a reading of available information as possible. I self-reflect all the time.

    You however, pick yourself up out of the dungheap after falling face first, then leap to the next with both hands grasping. It is amusing.
    You sure as picked up that flag and marched with the Trump/Russia election collusion conspiracy theory. When no indictments happen concerning Trump/Russia election collusion will you admit you taken a fool and pushed the DNC propaganda? What will that say about you?

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    BTW, Mueller's office has said Van Der Zwann has information that is not known to the public. Lordy!

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    Rosenstein's memo cleary has other charges and allegations redacted. You're upset. Your world is crashing down. Not to mention the memo itself authorized Mueller to investigate Manafort for collusion.
    Of course Mueller was authorized to investigate Manafort for collusion, that is what he was put there to do. This isn't breaking news.

    my world is crashing down
    zero indictments concerning Trump/Russia election collusion

    You tell me who's world is really crashing down 800+ page OP

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    Of course Mueller was authorized to investigate Manafort for collusion, that is what he was put there to do. This isn't breaking news.

    my world is crashing down
    zero indictments concerning Trump/Russia election collusion

    You tell me who's world is really crashing down 800+ page OP
    Yet you said Manafort had nothing to do with collusion? Lordy!

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