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    They'll be indicted crimes similar to Manafort/Gates.
    OK, which crimes specifically?

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    The van der Zwaan case did not involve Mueller's central mission of examining potential help for Russian election meddling in 2016. Instead, it grew out of the investigation of Gates and former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort over work they did in Ukraine more than a decade ago.

    Prosecuting van der Zwaan was more likely intended to send a message that Mueller's team would move aggressively against anyone who tried to obstruct their investigation rather than to enlist van der Zwaan's help. The terms of his plea do not require him to cooperate with prosecutors.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...-probe-n862186

    RandomGuy and his wonkette infatuation
    U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson acknowledged van der Zwaan’s character and willingness to turn over evidence of his crimes but said that given his means, allowing the defendant to “pay a fine at the door and walk away would not send a message of deterrence. It would do the opposite.”
    Read more at https://wonkette.com/632166/today-wa...3DJpAHje6OV.99

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    But when will Susan Rice be indicted?

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    What did van der Zwaan's crimes have to do with the election?

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    Well they sure as don't know what the they are ing talking about concerning ing van der Zwaan. The ing terms of his ing plea deal do not ing require him to ing cooperate with the ing prosecutors.
    And the ing judge noted that he ing did cooperate in the ing sentencing hearing, which you would ing know if you took your thumb out of your ass long enough to ing read something not the dailycaller/4chan,...

    pizzaboichik.

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    OK, which crimes specifically?
    Don't know specifics tbh I'm not privy to what Manafort and Gates have given Mueller.

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    What did van der Zwaan's crimes have to do with the election?
    Alex van der Zwaan, whose father-in-law German Khan just HAPPENS to be a big Russian oligarch who co-owns Alfa Bank, you know, the bank that really likes sending Snapchat Sexts with this one Trump Organization server FOR SOME REASON.
    Read more at https://wonkette.com/632166/today-wa...3DJpAHje6OV.99

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    Don't know specifics tbh I'm not privy to what Manafort and Gates have given Mueller.
    So again you cannot back up your theory.

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    Don't know specifics tbh I'm not privy to what Manafort and Gates have given Mueller.
    That qualifies as a dodge.

    You just said they will be indicted for crimes similar to Manafort and Gates with zero access to any evidence ever.

    What crimes?

    [dodge]

    Upon what are you basing your claim they will be indicted?

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    And the ing judge noted that he ing did cooperate in the ing sentencing hearing, which you would ing know if you took your thumb out of your ass long enough to ing read something not the dailycaller/4chan,...

    pizzaboichik.
    I already posted that van der Zwaan handed over a recorded conversation of Gates and Person A discussing payments and crimes they committed in 2012. Did the wonkette article not mention that? I don't read it when you link to wonkette so you tell me.

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    That qualifies as a dodge.

    You just said they will be indicted for crimes similar to Manafort and Gates with zero access to any evidence ever.

    What crimes?

    [dodge]

    Upon what are you basing your claim they will be indicted?
    That's not a dodge. I'm not going to be bothered to pull up the code of laws and list all the potential crimes they committed. Indicted for crimes similar to Manafort and Gates works just fine. I apologize if you don't like my answer but it is what it is.

    Someone from Skadden has already been sentenced. I'm basing my claim on this.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Special counsel Robert Mueller’s grand jury is investigating a prominent Democratic lobbyist and a former GOP congressman for their involvement in an influence campaign on behalf of Ukrainian interests tied to Paul Manafort, according to a person with direct knowledge of the investigation.

    At the center of the widening probe are Tony Podesta, a longtime Democratic operative, and Vin Weber, a former GOP congressman and leader of his own high-powered lobbying firm, Mercury LLC. The two men were hired as part of a multimillion-dollar lobbying effort directed by Manafort and longtime associate Rick Gates.

    With the emphasis on the Ukrainian lobbying efforts, Mueller’s criminal probe is moving beyond investigating ties between the Trump campaign and Russia and is aggressively pursuing people who worked as foreign agents without registering with the Justice Department. More witnesses are expected before the grand jury in coming weeks.

    Representatives for Weber’s firm and Podesta said they are cooperating with the special counsel’s investigation. Podesta, whose brother was the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, has resigned from his firm.

    FBI agents working for Mueller are asking witnesses about meetings between Gates, Podesta and Weber to discuss the lobbying work in detail and any communication with representatives of a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party, according to two people familiar with the interviews who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation.

    “There were questions about how much Podesta and Vin Weber were involved. There was a lot of interest there,” one of them said.

    FBI agents also expressed interest in the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP, which produced a 2012 report used to justify the jailing of an opposition politician in Ukraine.

    Both people said that investigators on Mueller’s team have asked about what the lobbyists knew about the source of the funding and who was directing the work in 2012 — long before Manafort became Trump’s campaign chairman in 2016.

    Gates and Manafort were both indicted Monday on charges of acting as unregistered foreign agents and lying on forms they filed with the Justice Department’s Foreign Agents Registration Act unit as well as money laundering.

    According to Manafort’s indictment, he and Gates “engaged in weekly and at times daily calls and emails with (company 1 and company 2) to provide them directions as to specific lobbying steps that should be taken and to receive reports back as to the results of such lobbying.” The two firms were the Podesta Group and Mercury.

    https://www.apnews.com/a7589ef1d4034a08b93d966abbb05017

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    lol

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    None of your theories have been right. None.

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    That's not a dodge. I'm not going to be bothered to pull up the code of laws and list all the potential crimes they committed. Indicted for crimes similar to Manafort and Gates works just fine. I apologize if you don't like my answer but it is what it is.
    You're saying Podesta and Weber will be indicted for money laundering?

    Yes or no.

    Someone from Skadden has already been sentenced. I'm basing my claim on this.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Special counsel Robert Mueller’s grand jury is investigating a prominent Democratic lobbyist and a former GOP congressman for their involvement in an influence campaign on behalf of Ukrainian interests tied to Paul Manafort, according to a person with direct knowledge of the investigation.

    At the center of the widening probe are Tony Podesta, a longtime Democratic operative, and Vin Weber, a former GOP congressman and leader of his own high-powered lobbying firm, Mercury LLC. The two men were hired as part of a multimillion-dollar lobbying effort directed by Manafort and longtime associate Rick Gates.

    With the emphasis on the Ukrainian lobbying efforts, Mueller’s criminal probe is moving beyond investigating ties between the Trump campaign and Russia and is aggressively pursuing people who worked as foreign agents without registering with the Justice Department. More witnesses are expected before the grand jury in coming weeks.

    Representatives for Weber’s firm and Podesta said they are cooperating with the special counsel’s investigation. Podesta, whose brother was the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, has resigned from his firm.

    FBI agents working for Mueller are asking witnesses about meetings between Gates, Podesta and Weber to discuss the lobbying work in detail and any communication with representatives of a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party, according to two people familiar with the interviews who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation.

    “There were questions about how much Podesta and Vin Weber were involved. There was a lot of interest there,” one of them said.

    FBI agents also expressed interest in the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP, which produced a 2012 report used to justify the jailing of an opposition politician in Ukraine.

    Both people said that investigators on Mueller’s team have asked about what the lobbyists knew about the source of the funding and who was directing the work in 2012 — long before Manafort became Trump’s campaign chairman in 2016.

    Gates and Manafort were both indicted Monday on charges of acting as unregistered foreign agents and lying on forms they filed with the Justice Department’s Foreign Agents Registration Act unit as well as money laundering.

    According to Manafort’s indictment, he and Gates “engaged in weekly and at times daily calls and emails with (company 1 and company 2) to provide them directions as to specific lobbying steps that should be taken and to receive reports back as to the results of such lobbying.” The two firms were the Podesta Group and Mercury.

    https://www.apnews.com/a7589ef1d4034a08b93d966abbb05017
    So your conspiracy theory is Mueller is going after Gates and Manafort first so he can get their subcontractors later?

    Yes or no.

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    None of your theories have been right. None.
    Neither have yours. There is still not a single indictment for Trump/Russia election collusion.

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    Neither have yours. There is still not a single indictment for Trump/Russia election collusion.
    So, Flynn pleaded guilty for fun and is cooperating with Mueller because oh my, he's just a patriot.

    You're too dumb to breathe.

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    with no phone-to-tower security ....

    US intel agencies warn that foreign spies have devices that can mimic cell towers and steal data

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/us-intel-agencies-warn-foreign-spies-devices-can-mimic-cell-towers-steal-data/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29
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    So, Flynn pleaded guilty for fun and is cooperating with Mueller because oh my, he's just a patriot.

    You're too dumb to breathe.
    FLYNN IS KING SPOOK AND IS DOING SPOOKY THINGS LIKE SELLING HIS HOME BECAUSE SUSAN RICE WAS SMILING WITH HIM

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    You're saying Podesta and Weber will be indicted for money laundering?

    Yes or no.
    Could be, along with acting as unregistered foreign agents and lying on forms they filed with the Justice Department’s Foreign Agents Registration Act

    So your conspiracy theory is Mueller is going after Gates and Manafort first so he can get their subcontractors later?

    Yes or no.
    Podesta is a much bigger player in the lobbying business, it's possible Mueller uncovered much more than just his shady work in Ukraine.

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    So, Flynn pleaded guilty for fun and is cooperating with Mueller because oh my, he's just a patriot.

    You're too dumb to breathe.

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    So, Flynn pleaded guilty for fun and is cooperating with Mueller because oh my, he's just a patriot.

    You're too dumb to breathe.
    The guy who doesn't know the difference between "on" and "from" calling anyone else dumb

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    FLYNN IS KING SPOOK AND IS DOING SPOOKY THINGS LIKE SELLING HIS HOME BECAUSE SUSAN RICE WAS SMILING WITH HIM

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    Could be, along with acting as unregistered foreign agents and lying on forms they filed with the Justice Department’s Foreign Agents Registration Act
    Could be?

    What is your evidence they laundered money?

    Be specific. This is your conspiracy theory. Having access to Mueller's evidence has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory.

    Podesta is a much bigger player in the lobbying business, it's possible Mueller uncovered much more than just his shady work in Ukraine.
    What more are you saying he could uncover?

    Be specific. This is your conspiracy theory. Having access to Mueller's evidence has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory.

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    Neither have yours. There is still not a single indictment for Trump/Russia election collusion.
    Well you are posting from another account because one of my theories was a fact. Biatch.

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