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Nice post head
The next time I see you post something worth reading will be a first
I didn't back-peddle. I don't have proof you're wrong about his numbers not declining, so I'm not going to say that you are. I didn't keep track of on-off defense, because it's dumb to separate offense from defense for impact stats. You don't swap players every possession to just do one or the other.
And I believe that's been the case all year, based on our arguments, which is why I don't believe you that his defensive on-offs have stayed the same. Either Murray used to be positive on offense but is now negative (which isn't true), or he has always been positive on offense but was significantly better on defense before. If (a+b) has decreased, then at least one of a or b had to decrease. As you would say "That's a fact."The offensive on/off offensive rating only declines by 1.9 points with Murray on the floor compared to when he's off.
I've already made my retorts to your assertions as well as brought up the counter-evidence for Murray's impact numbers (mainly the articles that cited his poor footage and sub-par analytics). I also gave my own "analysis" of my issues with Murray's D. If you and some others weren't so keen on defending the dude's honor at the expense of a legit discussion, it wouldn't be so hard to see my points without declaring me a hater.And the whole thread is about Murray's defense -- which was what everyone is referring to -- including myself.
Nice post head
The next time I see you post something worth reading will be a first
Don't tell me that the same guy who said Kawhi's defense was overrated a few years ago is the same guy here questioning Murray's defense...
Why is he this bad at judging young defensive talent?
Not tholden, not you. I'm talking about Chinnok.
He also said dedmon was a better defender than Kawhi.
It’s all about his rebounding...
Rebounding is the last line of defense and Murray is elite at it...probably the best rebounding guard in the league..and he’s just getting his ears wet..
Would’ve been nice to see Murray, Green and Kawhi play D and crash the boards...
And when the Spurs traded him, he said DD was just .He also said dedmon was a better defender than Kawhi.
This guy...
He also said Spurs should have given Sullinger and O Quinn big deals.He also said dedmon was a better defender than Kawhi.
He's solid with looking up the cap details, but I haven't been too impressed with how he assesses players.
He used to rarely post. We know why.
And when the Spurs traded him, he said DD was just .
This guy...
I need to stop picking on him.
Everyone's circle-jerking "bad" analyses they're either misremembering or hyping up to cover their own bad takes. Meanwhile, Murray's analytics have been this year: https://stats.nba.com/players/spot-u...rcentile&dir=1
And before someone starts, yes, I know the past 10 or so games aren't on here. They may well have changed these numbers substantially. But no, small-sample-size examples of "bad" defenders putting up elite results do not invalidate this list. It's FAR from perfect, but it certainly helps paint a better light on Murray's one-on-one prowess than on-offs do.
PS: That is not a one-stop link. You'll have to play around with the different categories to see Murray's defensive suite.
Defense is a very subjective topic. The eye test and on off metrics point to him being elite at his position. Better than Kawhi? No but pretty ing good.
It also translates to playoff defense.
spot onDefense is a very subjective topic. The eye test and on off metrics point to him being elite at his position. Better than Kawhi? No but pretty ing good.
It also translates to playoff defense.
eye test says it all & metrics back it up.
kids already had 10 boards 5 steals in a playoff game as a rook
man, imagine murray - leonard - anderson - gay - aldridge
that's a loooong n team with some potent offensive players
three black holes too tbh
Lol you dumb poster you
Man you are just not smart. Hes long. Thats about it. NextDefense is a very subjective topic. The eye test and on off metrics point to him being elite at his position. Better than Kawhi? No but pretty ing good.
It also translates to playoff defense.
I hereby rescind my congratulatory acknowledgement.
Good day, madam.
So to summarize Murray has been great a few games, but y others. Which is what a young plAyer would do I guess. No harm in him getting a rep for good defense, we need all the whistle magic we can get!
Hmmm you have been on fire with insight of this nature!
As I said, I am only skeptical that Kyle didn’t even get so much as an honorary mention which is horse .
Hopefully someone in the Spurs gets some kind of acknowledgement. Even Aaron Baynes got an honorable mention.
Murray is deserving. That’s not even a question imo. He can get better and will do so with experience but he’s already very impactful on D.
Lol you just arent smart. You claimed kyle wad lottery talent. Murray plays out of position over half the time hes on d. His steals result in no transition points regularly. Hes long. Just like kyle, but kyle.os better on d. They both cant shoot or create for . Pwned
Point is. Both Kyle and Dejounte dont deserve all nba consideration. They can get steals and do well in situations but both get burnt consistently just as much and both are benched consistently because of matchups. These awards should go to the players that at least avg 30 mpg over the majority of the season. DJ too small get manhandled inside and Kyle is too slow and gets burnt all the time.
I assume you are talking to me. Haha. Just a Bryn defender from people who trash on him because they want to see White playing. White will get his shot next year I think and his time in G league is paying off for the future.
Kyle is way too slow footed and also gets beat up by bigger forwards inside still. Dejounte has a good shot to be all defense next year. He makes a ton of mental mistakes and gets beat up inside still.
Tough crowd for a 21 year old who already displays elite defensive abilities. There is no doubt in my mind he will be an all defense type player. He’s a star in the making and many of you are going to look foolish again. Give the kid some time and he has tools and more importantly the toughest to be a top point guard. I’m excited to see him and KL wrecking havoc for years to come.
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