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    Spurs shot themselves in the foot with their PG rotation this year, tbh.

    They knew they had to give minutes to their new 50 Million Dollar Man.

    They knew they had to give minutes to their up & rising young buck (DJ).

    And they knew they had to save space for the old guard (Manu and Tony)...both of whom can only play to 60% of the level we need them to.

    Frankly, White got pushed out by cir stance....he could've averaged a triple double in the dregs, and Pop is still gonna go with his "tried and true" players.

    Hopefully, Mills contract gets moved, and that will open lots of minutes for White next season. He's earned them so far.

    The silver lining is that if White had been playing spot minutes with the club all season...I doubt he would've developed into the player we are seeing in GLeague. Dude needs to learn the game...and it was too log-jammed here for him to do that properly.

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    Spurs shot themselves in the foot with their PG rotation this year, tbh.

    They knew they had to give minutes to their new 50 Million Dollar Man.

    They knew they had to give minutes to their up & rising young buck (DJ).

    And they knew they had to save space for the old guard (Manu and Tony)...both of whom can only play to 60% of the level we need them to.

    Frankly, White got pushed out by cir stance....he could've averaged a triple double in the dregs, and Pop is still gonna go with his "tried and true" players.

    Hopefully, Mills contract gets moved, and that will open lots of minutes for White next season. He's earned them so far.

    The silver lining is that if White had been playing spot minutes with the club all season...I doubt he would've developed into the player we are seeing in GLeague. Dude needs to learn the game...and it was too log-jammed here for him to do that properly.
    he coulda gotten forbes' 20 minutes per game

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    Spurs shot themselves in the foot with their PG rotation this year, tbh.

    They knew they had to give minutes to their new 50 Million Dollar Man.

    They knew they had to give minutes to their up & rising young buck (DJ).

    And they knew they had to save space for the old guard (Manu and Tony)...both of whom can only play to 60% of the level we need them to.
    spurs can afford to play manu. his vorp is .2... tony's is -.5

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    he coulda gotten forbes' 20 minutes per game

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    One of them needs to shot the three. Your theory is dumb as .

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    He’s trying to hide white and sell high on Murray I’m hoping......white is a point guard, Murray isn’t.
    This is where i am. Trade bait. But with murrays hustle on d.... im not sure pop will part with him. Im not sure if i would either. My disdain for murray lies solely with his inability to play the pg spot and the fact he was drafted. Anyone can learn to get better with experience. It just proves the nba is simply overhyped

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    he coulda gotten forbes' 20 minutes per game
    Why? Spurs need a scorer and on the shooting and creating forbes is light years ahead of murray. its sad if you cant recognize this

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    Why? Spurs need a scorer and on the shooting and creating forbes is light years ahead of murray. its sad if you cant recognize this
    is forbes light years ahead of derrick white?

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    What is sad is that you can’t see how Bad Forbes Sucks. The dude make Mills look good no way should he be on a team that has any thoughts of going to the playoffs.

    As far as Murray he is getting better and has a much higher upside then No Defense Midgit Forbes. Is he our best PG I would say No and I would say that if given a fair chance White should be our starting PG next year. But Murray should be the backup and you can probably play both at the same time.

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    You are correct. Kuzma wouldn't even get to play 20 games here if Poop was coaching him.

    It just wouldn't be fair to the guys ahead of him.
    Why didn't Kawhi play in the D-league his first year? Kuzma would be a great fit for Spurs. He has a well rounded game.

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    is forbes light years ahead of derrick white?
    Forbes is a better SG at this point. Derrick White future looks to be a PG which the Spurs have too many of at this point.

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    Forbes is a better SG at this point. Derrick White future looks to be a PG which the Spurs have too many of at this point.
    White can literally do everything better than Forbes, including shoot. Maybe Bryn's got him in an open gym, but in a game, White beats him easily. Derrick doesn't have the track record to prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's the best guard on the roster by next year.

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    50 million dollars to ride the pine
    Hey, we're paying Kawhi 19 million not even to show up for home games these days.

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    Hey, we're paying Kawhi 19 million not even to show up for home games these days.
    Damn, Bill's gone full savage.

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    White can literally do everything better than Forbes, including shoot. Maybe Bryn's got him in an open gym, but in a game, White beats him easily. Derrick doesn't have the track record to prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's the best guard on the roster by next year.
    If that's the case how do you see him pairing up with Murray? Does he unseat DJ as the starter? Or do they pair him at the 2 and who becomes the primary ballhandler?

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    White can literally do everything better than Forbes, including shoot. Maybe Bryn's got him in an open gym, but in a game, White beats him easily. Derrick doesn't have the track record to prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's the best guard on the roster by next year.
    If I could have it Forbes should've taken Patty's spot this year. Forbes deserves minutes over White at this point. Pop needs to run sets White hasn't even seen yet. I look forward to a productive offset ok n where White does get a few mpg next year though.

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    Damn, Bill's gone full savage.
    This season is full on Lord of the Flies for me.

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    If I could have it Forbes should've taken Patty's spot this year. Forbes deserves minutes over White at this point. Pop needs to run sets White hasn't even seen yet. I look forward to a productive offset ok n where White does get a few mpg next year though.
    Forbes is cheaper than Patty, but he's so much worse that it's almost worth the money. At his absolute best, Bryn looks like a dynamic scorer. But he's streaky at the one thing he's good at, can't even pretend to be a PG and can't defend any position. Forbes should be in the Kerr role, not as the starting guard next to Murray. As far as sets go, White's been learning the Spurs' playbook for a year with the Toros. You can argue that gamespeed might be a problem, but knowing the sets won't be.

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    If that's the case how do you see him pairing up with Murray? Does he unseat DJ as the starter? Or do they pair him at the 2 and who becomes the primary ballhandler?
    It all depends on how Murray develops offensively. A Dejounte who can't score isn't going to be a starter very long, White or no White. If Murray can shoot well enough to sit in the corner and also get offense off the dribble, he and White could play the two-PG backcourt Pop has wanted for almost a decade now. Neither has to be THE man, because they can both attack off primary or secondary penetration. IT would be similar to watching Tony and Manu now. Derrick is better at running an offense, while DeJounte is better at pressure off the dribble. Ideally, though, they'd both be good enough at both of those things that they could take turns running the teams like Paul and Harden to.

    On D, obviously, the sky's the limit given their good size and noses for the ball.

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    Forbes is cheaper than Patty, but he's so much worse that it's almost worth the money. At his absolute best, Bryn looks like a dynamic scorer. But he's streaky at the one thing he's good at, can't even pretend to be a PG and can't defend any position. Forbes should be in the Kerr role, not as the starting guard next to Murray. As far as sets go, White's been learning the Spurs' playbook for a year with the Toros. You can argue that gamespeed might be a problem, but knowing the sets won't be.
    Bro. Bryn Forbes had a way better stint in the d league than Derrick White. Look at the numbers. I'm not denying White might end up a better fit for the Spurs or player period but Bryn earned his playing time. Its arguable he earned it over Dejounte too. Derrick White is a pg in the Spurs eyes. A season of grooming will do good for him.

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    White can literally do everything better than Forbes, including shoot. Maybe Bryn's got him in an open gym, but in a game, White beats him easily. Derrick doesn't have the track record to prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's the best guard on the roster by next year.
    He already is.

    But that doesn't mean he should take Murrays spot.

    It means he should take Parkers/Forbes minutes, even Pattys.

    Start him at the 2 ( defending twos, but being an initiator on offense -- like Manu).

    Or have him as the lead guard off the bench.

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    Why didn't Kawhi play in the D-league his first year? Kuzma would be a great fit for Spurs. He has a well rounded game.
    Pop will play a rookie if he hates the vet in front of them.

    Richard Jefferson had already been benched in the playoffs and Pop even wasted some of his summer drinking time on remedial drills for him. Pop was out on RJ.

    Parker was behind Antonio Daniels, who Pop never liked and never wanted as his point guard.

    Pop loves Mills, loves Parker. Likes Forbes.

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    Bro. Bryn Forbes had a way better stint in the d league than Derrick White. Look at the numbers.
    No, he didn't.

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...orbebr01d.html

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...hitede01d.html

    Bryn did outshoot him, though. Everything else only looks like a compe ion because White played 20-percent fewer minutes per game.

    I'm not denying White might end up a better fit for the Spurs or player period but Bryn earned his playing time.
    Not really:

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...01&idx=players

    White has easily outplayed Bryn in his limited NBA time. I'm all willing to say that Derrick doesn't have a big enough sample, but that's Pop's fault.

    Its arguable he earned it over Dejounte too.
    OMG, it's not. I'm apparently the bigger Murray-hater on this site, but I have no problem admitting he's been way better than Forbes overall. Bryn should definitely not be the top guard in the rotation.

    Derrick White is a pg in the Spurs eyes. A season of grooming will do good for him.
    That's fine if you think that. White is still a better two-guard than Forbes whether Pop plays him there or not.

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    White's less of a d-league player than Forbes is, and you have no problem loading up in the magazine thread.

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