Yeah, the discussion wasn’t about athletic ability, it was about the mental and strategic aspects of the games. Of which soccer is light years behind baseball. Try to keep up next time, fam.
Yeah, the discussion wasn’t about athletic ability, it was about the mental and strategic aspects of the games. Of which soccer is light years behind baseball. Try to keep up next time, fam.
How is soccer light years behind baseball in terms of strategy?
Soccer is a dinamic sport that allows for multiple different formations and styles.
Baseball's in game strategy is limited to switching pitchers and moving the infielders a bit more to the right if the batter is a lefty.![]()
Baseball strategy lol.
How do we get the fattest dude to bat at the right time.
Picture is from the German field hockey team. Stop reaching![]()
illiterate brokeback redneck translations tbhtbh I heard you got your sister pregnant again
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If you had an 11 year old you needed someone to babysit for a few hours, would you think you could take him to play baseball or drop him off at a church league soccer game where the term "soccer mom" originated? They don't say "baseball moms". Kids don't really learn baseball until they get much older.
Remember when MJ went to play soccer? Me neither.
who?
michael jackson?
pele, maradona >>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > MJ.
On the NBA forum pretending to not know who Michael Jordan is.
Only reason anyone here talks about soccer is because of Manu Ginobili being on the Spurs and he doesn't even keep up with it.
Lakers alts pretending to give a about soccer = same TP/Manu s
One thing I'll say about soccer is that it has characters and storylines, which is a lot more important than actual quality of play. , Ronaldo is a much ing bigger superstar than Lebron (who's gigantic).
Even so, baseball players, on average, are just as athletic as any soccer player, and the best baseball athletes are probably a tier above the best athletes in soccer. Stanton, Judge, Trea Turner, Byron Buxton, Mike Trout, Billy Hamilton, Yasiel Puig, Bradley Zimmerman would absolutely massacre Ronaldo, Bale, Bellerin, Pogba, That African from the German League, etc, etc, etc in a Decathlon.
Longterm roster building strategy is a lot more complex than soccer.
And your "evaluation" of baseball's in game tactics, of course, come from a goal sport mentality of only considering "plays" and player movement, formations, etc as the only form of tactics in sports. I issued a challenge to you and the soccer crew the last time this debate came up asking you to tell me how to pitch to Mike Trout just based on his swing/swing mechanics, and I got crickets. There's also a multilevel psychological and tactical battle going on between pitcher and batter, with events that happened years ago between any two players affecting the outcome in a "dynamic way."
http://www.espn.com/soccer/germany/s...rector?src=com
Soccer fans are like religious zealots when it comes to this. Look, the sport is a goal sport, the most derivative design of a sport there is, and as such, soccer's strategy and tactics won't be fundamentally much different from: Field hockey, Ice Hockey, Gaelic football, Bandy, Hurling, Aussie Rules Football, Basketball, Netball, Korfball, Handball, Water Polo, Floorball. All these sports are essentially about two things tactics wise: Create spacing on offense, reduce spacing on defense. "You have to create a hole (space) for yourself, and then run into that hole (space) yourself." - Johan Cruyff.
I would say Ice Hockey is deeper, since a coach has to balance 3 line changes, meaning he has to figure out gameplans for 3 different lineups and doesn't have the luxury of having his best players on the ice 80%-100% of the time, like in basketball and soccer. Hockey superstars only play about a 3rd of the game. He has to have power play lineups, penalty kill lineups, end game lineups. Hockey also requires a better all-around players, since offensive and defensive players are more active on the other side of the ball (puck) than soccer players. The action also moves much, much faster, so a hockey player gets much less time to make split second "tactical decisions" than a soccer player. And he has to make more them per game, since hockey is truly continuous.
That said, any coach, manager, etc looking to turn sports into something tactically complex would be a bad coach. The less tactical you impose on your players, the better. Too many tactics/plays=too many moving parts. Ideally, you would want a relatively simplistic tactical foundation that great players can execute precisely rather than hit them over the head of with dictionary sized playbook (even in the NFL, coaches do not use hundreds of plays per game). That's what that article alluded to. Fans see patterns that aren't there when a broken play, a piece of improvisation, etc in any sport results in a score.
Hecking added in Suddeutsche Zeitung in December that he thinks the current terminology used to describe football reminded him of a secret lore.
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You compeltey missed his point. Way to twist it.
Baseball fans are like religious nuts. Dead serious.
I didn't miss his point or your point at all, and didn't twist anything. He's looking at baseball from the wrong mentality. And you flat out stated soccer is the most complex sport in the World, which is bull since there's like 50 different sports with the exact same design. Bandy, which is basically ice hockey played on a 100 yard patch of ice, is probably more complex since it's 15 on 15. More players=more variables to account for. This doesn't make any one sport "better" than another, and as I said, no sport is really that intellectually complex to begin with, so who cares.
"Baseball fans are like religious nuts."
First time I heard that one. When's the last time you seen baseball fans riot at a stadium and kill 96 people? Or war with each other on European streets? Or issue "warnings" to fans from other countries not to show up or risk getting beaten? Or assassinate a player for a mistake? Or commit mass suicide after a loss? , in Japan, which probably has the best baseball atmosphere in the world and one of the best atmospheres in all of sports, it's considered disrespectful to boo the opposition.
Meanwhile,
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...dium-in-turkey
Correction. Bandy is actually 11 vs. 11. But Gaelic is 15 vs. 15, features gameplay that involves use of both hands and feet, has a two-level goalpost, with each level being worth a different amount (meaning you can actually take the lead from a deficit), and has some interesting rules like not being able to hit the ball into the bottom goal with your fist unless it's passed to you. All of this means more variables=more "complexity." But soccer is the most complex sport in the world because some hipsters who never played the sport writing on a blog named, "The Beautiful Game," break down some totally random, improvised sequence as they praise Pep Guardiola's tactical "genius."
The top workers in soccer usually cover about 7 miles per game. And remember, that's with a 15 minute break between halves. Guess what that translates to? About 5mph. You know what else is 5mph? Walking speed. I don't know why the soccer crew plays up this fact so much? Suburban fat women trying to lose weight can run 7 miles in an hour-in-a-half. Yes, soccer players occasionally sprint, but nothing about soccer's stamina demands are above-and-beyond. Is it tiring? Sure. Is it a feat of endurance only a select few athletes can handle? Not even close. Ultra marathons, triathlons, road cycling, crossfit are stamina sports.
You nailed an underage bar girl?
let me guess Cambodia or Philippines
All football parents.![]()
Skill position players aren't fat, bro. And NFL lineman are some of the most impressive athletes in all of sports. Think about it for a moment, and you'll understand why.
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