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    Yeah it's a total thread hijack. I was thinking that Murray and Anderson can be used as (positive) examples of PATFO's player development skills, at least on the defensive end.

    Of course a player has to have both the tools and desire to be a good defender. Mills, Neal, Forbes (too small) and Belinelli (didn't care enough?) are counterexamples here.
    Both Murray and Anderson had defensive chops in college. Their length is above-average for the NBA, but its was absolutely superlative for in college. They got their steals and blocks. I think Anderson's defensive prospects were underrated because people overrated raw foot speed.

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    With that said, the biggest questions surrounding Anderson's pro potential revolve around his play on the defensive end, specifically, who he will be able to guard at the NBA level. While Anderson's length and anticipation skills allow him to generate plenty of blocks and steals, his lateral quickness is as poor as any player in this draft class. He's extremely upright in his defensive stance, and he allows opposing players to blow right by him like he's simply invisible at times. Because of his struggles getting low and staying in front of opponents, reaching for steals is usually Anderson's most effective strategy, something NBA teams are certain to go after and try to exploit regularly. In college his coaches would often try to “hide him” by putting him on big men or non-scorers, which might not work quite as well in the more physically gifted and talented NBA. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kyle-Anderson-6177/ ©DraftExpress
    This is what DX said about Murray:

    Defensively, Murray's long arms and excellent instincts give him some potential to grow into, but he was largely ineffective on this end of the floor as a freshman. He doesn't put much effort into this part of his game at this stage of his career, as he has poor fundamentals and isn't particularly attentive either. His lack of strength made it easy for players to bulldoze their way straight through him, he rarely gives a second effort after getting beat, and often looks very upright just standing straight up off the ball. With that said, Murray shows quick hands and reaction time sniffing out passes and getting in the passing lanes (1.9 steals per-40 pace adjusted) and was one of the better rebounding guards in our Top-100 (6.3 per-40, 6th), which leaves some room for optimism that he can improve this part of his game over the next few years with better coaching and effort. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...e-Murray-7309/ ©DraftExpress
    The most significant thing the Spurs have done for both players is getting them to engage on the defensive end. It helps that neither player is being asked to be a star or carry the load offensively. But you see enough NBA players give up on D that it's still a credit to the coaching staff for them to bring the effort consistently.

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    Murray's leap on defense from last year to this year was incredible, to say the least...and he still has a lot of room to grow there...last year i thought he was absolutely horrible and lazy, with bad instincts...he is much better now, and i hhope he focuses on that more...and also running the break and finishing until he rounds out his offensive game....he needs to get more aggressive and be an attacker

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    The last thing I ever expected Kyle Anderson to be was a good defender. That he holds it down the way he has is a huge testament to his and the team's efforts at improvement.
    Yea, the fact he has become a good, maybe great, defender is pretty shocking.

    I remember the big worry when he got drafted was that he was going to be a traffic cone on defense.

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    You Murray haters need to seriously GTFO.
    Take Crater Face and his pets and Yes Men with you.

    Looking great vs Portland.
    Just turned 21. With a real coach he can just keep getting better.

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    Played well hope it continues

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    Really impressed me tonight. If he can get to the line like that it makes up for his mediocre shooting. Very compe ive player.

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    We better keep this dude.

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    It's nice that he's finally being aggressive in the paint..it's evident that he was afraid of Pop earlier, but he seems confident now that his spot is secure..he still can't make plays for others consistently, but can't be mad at the progress he has made this season, anything more would not have been a realistic expectation..

    Hopefully he develops a shot one day, of course..it'll never work in today's NBA without one..

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    Him and white could be a good combo in the future

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    He has improved his aggression going to the basket and looking for shots he’s comfortable with. He’s been very encouraging this season. Still getting better as he’s 21 there’s hope for his shooting yet. Doesn’t need to be a special shooter, just decent enough that you need to respect it. Anyways it’s been encouraging to see him get confidence. He has grown a lot in that department. That’s why I wanted the playoffs for him. He’s really not afraid of the moment.

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    .it's evident that he was afraid of Pop earlier, but he seems confident now that his spot is secure..he still can't make plays for others consistently, but can't be mad at the progress he has made this season, anything more would not have been a realistic expectation..
    Given the lack of coaching, his growth is excellent.
    Make plays for who, 50 Paddy and High School Forbes etc? As has been brought out and obvious, he's burned out of at least 2-3 assists a game.

    Agree he must develop shot. I see Kwa Light potential if his growth rate continues for the next 2-3 years. He'll get on PEDs like the rest of the NBA and hit the weights. Just not sure he's going to be able to overcome Popped and the FO.

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    He’s really not afraid of the moment.
    That's a quote I remember DJ saying in the off-season and it holds true.

    reminds of Sjax "I make love to pressure" type of confidence.

    Looking forward to seeing how his 2nd post-season goes

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    Has looked pretty good recently. As Harlem said though it’s all a moot point if he can’t develop a reliable jumper

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    Has looked pretty good recently. As Harlem said though it’s all a moot point if he can’t develop a reliable jumper
    Before getting a jumper he needs to get to the basket more. Then develop a jumper off of defenders sagging like Parker. DJ's defense is above average already but his complete lack of offensive tools from the moment he has the ball is still a concern. Most of his points come off hustle layups / rebound putbacks.

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    Before getting a jumper he needs to get to the basket more. Then develop a jumper off of defenders sagging like Parker. DJ's defense is above average already but his complete lack of offensive tools from the moment he has the ball is still a concern. Most of his points come off hustle layups / rebound putbacks.
    I look at it the opposite. If he develops a good jumper defenders have to play him tighter. This will allow him to get to the hoop more easily on penetration. He has difficulty getting to the basket at the moment because defenders can sag off him.

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    Its step by step really. He can be an all star without a j. He can dominate the game without a 3. First its getting his floater to be more efficient. Then its his elbow jumper. With his size he can essentially do what Ben Simmons has ben doing and taking up space. Simmons has the hook. Murray the floater... He's already improved his efficiency on his floater. Some spurs dude just did a tweet or article about it today. And he's been showing he can shoot the elbow j. If he can one day shoot the corner 3 that just helps his longevity as he ages. Ben Simmons dominates with having no j what so ever but its relative. He usually has 3s and 4s guarding him while Murray will have 1s and 2s. He has the the length to get his floater off anytime he wants if the go under and the big sags.

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    I look at it the opposite. If he develops a good jumper defenders have to play him tighter. This will allow him to get to the hoop more easily on penetration. He has difficulty getting to the basket at the moment because defenders can sag off him.
    That's one strategy but it would be a miracle to see him develop one by next year. His shot release looks so crooked right now. By next year a better floater and savvy layups would be his next evolution since he has a foundation so far. For now I wouldn't mind a complete reconstruction of his jump shot.

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    Has looked pretty good recently. As Harlem said though it’s all a moot point if he can’t develop a reliable jumper

    Murray has actually improved a lot since the AS break:

    Since the AS break: Murray is making 64% of his shots in the restricted area -- which is better than the league average. He's also making 45% of his shots right outside of the restricted area ( floater range) -- that's above average too.

    He's also making 41% of his corner 3's since the AS break.


    His midrange is below average, as he's converting 36% of the midrange opportunities since the All-Star break, but Parker shot 34% from midrange his 2nd year.

    Parker didn't start hitting his midrange til he was 24 years old fwiw.

    The lazy critics on this site that want to hold on to the same narratives they used last year couldn't be more wrong.

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    You Murray haters need to seriously GTFO.
    Take Crater Face and his pets and Yes Men with you.

    Looking great vs Portland.
    Just turned 21. With a real coach he can just keep getting better.
    So pops not a real coach? You big kidder you! Lol

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    Some spurs dude just did a tweet or article about it today.
    Here's the article. It was a good read:

    https://projectspurs.com/2018/04/09/...ll-star-break/

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    thanks bro.. the kid is evolving

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    Murray has actually improved a lot since the AS break:

    Since the AS break: Murray is making 64% of his shots in the restricted area -- which is better than the league average. He's also making 45% of his shots right outside of the restricted area ( floater range) -- that's above average too.

    He's also making 41% of his corner 3's since the AS break.


    His midrange is below average, as he's converting 36% of the midrange opportunities since the All-Star break, but Parker shot 34% from midrange his 2nd year.

    Parker didn't start hitting his midrange til he was 24 years old fwiw.

    The lazy critics on this site that want to hold on to the same narratives they used last year couldn't be more wrong.
    Those midrange have to consist of his floaters because I've watched about 10 games where he was starting and I maybe saw him hit 1 jump shot!

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    Murray has actually improved a lot since the AS break:

    Since the AS break: Murray is making 64% of his shots in the restricted area -- which is better than the league average. He's also making 45% of his shots right outside of the restricted area ( floater range) -- that's above average too.

    He's also making 41% of his corner 3's since the AS break.


    His midrange is below average, as he's converting 36% of the midrange opportunities since the All-Star break, but Parker shot 34% from midrange his 2nd year.

    Parker didn't start hitting his midrange til he was 24 years old fwiw.

    The lazy critics on this site that want to hold on to the same narratives they used last year couldn't be more wrong.
    Dont need a midrange game. Need rim attack. Carry on

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    Failed experiment tbh.

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