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    You know what’s a great way to sell tickets? Have a compe ive team.

    Know what’s a great way to have a compe ive team? Having good draft picks.

    Know what’s a great way to get good draft picks?

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    The team remaining "compe ive" is huge from a fan support standpoint, not to mention free agents.

    Selling tickets for even a couple playoff games helps keep the team financially viable.

    Then there is the compe ive drive of the players. Do you think LMA and Gay signed contracts expecting to miss the playoffs? Do you think Manu wants to potentially spend his last season in the lottery after never missing a postseason?

    Spurs fans need to get out of this championship or bust mentality, especially during a year like this when it simply isn't in the cards. Making the playoffs is still an accomplishment that half the league would love to have, and the difference between #15 and #20 isn't that drastic considering the draft is a crapshoot anyways.

    Don't know why some people want to just keep shoving their foot to keep the basement door open, without acknowledging that it could be years before the Spurs come out of it.
    respect you for trying to reach the lost here man... but agreed completely. some people don't get it. playoffs home sales are all plus. they are not factored in so anything you get is net positive. And we typically have late first. be interesting to see what we get late mid. I have high hopes for this pick unless this draft is crap.

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    The team remaining "compe ive" is huge from a fan support standpoint, not to mention free agents.

    Selling tickets for even a couple playoff games helps keep the team financially viable.

    Then there is the compe ive drive of the players. Do you think LMA and Gay signed contracts expecting to miss the playoffs? Do you think Manu wants to potentially spend his last season in the lottery after never missing a postseason?

    Spurs fans need to get out of this championship or bust mentality, especially during a year like this when it simply isn't in the cards. Making the playoffs is still an accomplishment that half the league would love to have, and the difference between #15 and #20 isn't that drastic considering the draft is a crapshoot anyways.

    Don't know why some people want to just keep shoving their foot to keep the basement door open, without acknowledging that it could be years before the Spurs come out of it.
    depressive personality types, negative nancys, spoiled, etc... to each their own.

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    You know what’s a great way to sell tickets? Have a compe ive team.

    Know what’s a great way to have a compe ive team? Having good draft picks.

    Know what’s a great way to get good draft picks?
    The Mavericks, Suns, and Lakers have gotten good draft picks the past couple years. How compe ive are they?

    It took the Sixers four years of extreme tanking to finally get back into the playoffs.

    It's not like the Spurs were going to find another Tim Duncan with the #15th pick.

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    respect you for trying to reach the lost here man... but agreed completely. some people don't get it. playoffs home sales are all plus. they are not factored in so anything you get is net positive. And we typically have late first. be interesting to see what we get late mid. I have high hopes for this pick unless this draft is crap.
    I get people being depressed, upset and in a foul mood over the kawhi situation, but sometimes one has to watch fans of other teams, or other franchises that don't take this for granted to appreciate...



    Of course I think Kawhi being hurt or whatever just saps all enthusiasm some fans can have.

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    I get people being depressed, upset and in a foul mood over the kawhi situation, but sometimes one has to watch fans of other teams, or other franchises that don't take this for granted to appreciate...



    Of course I think Kawhi being hurt or whatever just saps all enthusiasm some fans can have.
    Great Post. Even our players knew to adjust the expectations of the team. Manu said so... It's just some of these posters have the iq of a rock...

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    The Mavericks, Suns, and Lakers have gotten good draft picks the past couple years. How compe ive are they?

    It took the Sixers four years of extreme tanking to finally get back into the playoffs.

    It's not like the Spurs were going to find another Tim Duncan with the #15th pick.
    The Mavericks, Suns, and Lakers are irrelevant.

    The choices are: 15th pick or the 20th a first round sweep. I don't really care to see my team get smoked in the first round. Nor do I think that ticket sales for two home games are that meaningful in the long scheme of things. It makes far more strategic sense to maximize your chances in the draft vs. desperately clinging to a participation trophy. You might not get a Tim Duncan with the 15th pick, but we got someone pretty decent the last time we had No. 15 in the draft.

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    Didn't realize we had a resident psychologist in our midst.

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    Spurs fans need to get out of this championship or bust mentality, especially during a year like this when it simply isn't in the cards. Making the playoffs is still an accomplishment that half the league would love to have, and the difference between #15 and #20 isn't that drastic considering the draft is a crapshoot anyways.

    Don't know why some people want to just keep shoving their foot to keep the basement door open, without acknowledging that it could be years before the Spurs come out of it.
    Why? This isn't little league baseball and participation trophies aren't handed out. These are professional athletes - it's their job to do everything in their power to compete for a championship.

    I have never seen Spurs fans so aggressive fire off weaponized mediocrity so aggressively at people who remind them that the basic premise of professional sports is to be the best.

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    If he declares, DeAndre Hunter ..

    Mitc Robinson is my other choice.

    Get one of those two.

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    Isn’t there a six feet shooting guard that need a couple seasons in Austin?

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    Why? This isn't little league baseball and participation trophies aren't handed out. These are professional athletes - it's their job to do everything in their power to compete for a championship.

    I have never seen Spurs fans so aggressive fire off weaponized mediocrity so aggressively at people who remind them that the basic premise of professional sports is to be the best.
    So you want the Spurs to be the best...by actively trying to lose games?

    Spurs fans have been spoiled to have a compe ive team for the last two decades. There is a reason that there hasn't been another run like that in the NBA... , in any other sport. It's not something to be taken for granted.

    For every fan wanting their team to "do everything in their power to compete for a championship", there are five fans just wishing for their teams to sniff the playoffs. Teams have gone years, even decades, without playing a playoff game.

    It's simply not reasonable to expect the Spurs (or ANY team) to win a championship every single year. History supports that.

    When the Spurs really need to tank, get ready for years of ty basketball. Are you really in such a rush to get there?

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    Why? This isn't little league baseball and participation trophies aren't handed out. These are professional athletes - it's their job to do everything in their power to compete for a championship.

    I have never seen Spurs fans so aggressive fire off weaponized mediocrity at people who remind them what the basic premise of sports is: compete to be the best.
    so everybody that ins't GSW/HOU/BOS/CLE should just be losing every game on purpose?

    the concept of tanking only makes sense for teams that are in the midst of a rebuild and should bottom out... like the sixers. it's what the nets should have done instead of trading for KG/Pierce...

    the spurs aren't there unless kawhi is off the team tbh

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    So you want the Spurs to be the best...by actively trying to lose games?

    Spurs fans have been spoiled to have a compe ive team for the last two decades. There is a reason that there hasn't been another run like that in the NBA... , in any other sport. It's not something to be taken for granted.

    For every fan wanting their team to "do everything in their power to compete for a championship", there are five fans just wishing for their teams to sniff the playoffs. Teams have gone years, even decades, without playing a playoff game.

    It's simply not reasonable to expect the Spurs (or ANY team) to win a championship every single year. History supports that.

    When the Spurs really need to tank, get ready for years of ty basketball. Are you really in such a rush to get there?
    This is such a re ed response. No dude, of course I don't want the Spurs to lose games. I want them to be as compe ive as possible and have the highest chance of winning a championship. Unfortunately, I, along with the team, live in this place called "reality." In reality, I recognize this team has severe flaws and has no chance of winning a playoff series. So what's the point? Are you going to feel good watching this team get murdered in 4 or 5 games? I ask that because I will derive no enjoyment seeing this team sent home after a 30 point L in game 5.

    I do not EXPECT the Spurs to win a championship every year. I have no idea where you got this from. What I expect is for the team to maximize its ability to compete for a championship. And the idea of being the late 2010's version of the Atlanta Hawks is an hetical to that expectation.

    As for the actual tank - yes, I am in a rush to get there. The sooner the process starts, the sooner it ends. But that's also because I have higher standards than mediocrity. Sadly, that's not a value shared with many posters.

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    so everybody that ins't GSW/HOU/BOS/CLE should just be losing every game on purpose?

    the concept of tanking only makes sense for teams that are in the midst of a rebuild and should bottom out... like the sixers. it's what the nets should have done instead of trading for KG/Pierce...

    the spurs aren't there unless kawhi is off the team tbh
    People at the Nets trade, but the thinking wasn't the problem. They just paid too much. Had they never acquired Wallace, not only would have have kept that pick, but they would have probably been able to save an extra first or two off their deal with Boston. The idea of trading for HoFers for one last run wasn't wrong-headed. Indeed, even as oldies, Williams, Johnson, Pierce, Garnett and Lopez was a fine unit that might have been even better had they gotten a second year. It was worth A gamble. It just wasn't worth THAT gamble.

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    No dude, of course I don't want the Spurs to lose games.
    Yes you do. You want it temporarily as a means to and ends, but you want it all the same. Own that instead of acting like everyone's too stupid to understand what you mean.

    And again, the Spurs were could have easily been in position to win a playoff series this season. So the whole idea that it was between getting GS in the first round or getting a lottery pick is disingenuous.

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    so everybody that ins't GSW/HOU/BOS/CLE should just be losing every game on purpose?
    The point made was: 15th pick < 20th pick + playoffs. Your question is irrelevant to that point.

    the concept of tanking only makes sense for teams that are in the midst of a rebuild and should bottom out... like the sixers. it's what the nets should have done instead of trading for KG/Pierce...

    the spurs aren't there unless kawhi is off the team tbh
    Disagree. When it became abundantly clear that Kawhi was not coming back, there was no point in remaining compe ive this season. It's reasonable to me to start losing games when your best player doesn't play because you're a) not going to be compe ive and b) can maximize your draft pick. Your last statement proves too much: Kawhi was off this team for the full year -- conditions were there to shoot for a higher pick.

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    Yes you do. You want it temporarily as a means to and ends, but you want it all the same.
    So what? What point are you making here?

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    Gary Clark & Chandler Hutchinson have all star potential.

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    so everybody that ins't GSW/HOU/BOS/CLE should just be losing every game on purpose?

    the concept of tanking only makes sense for teams that are in the midst of a rebuild and should bottom out... like the sixers. it's what the nets should have done instead of trading for KG/Pierce...

    the spurs aren't there unless kawhi is off the team tbh
    Say What? We got to the dance without his ass all we need to do is trade him get a high draft pick and a good player or two and we right back to being contenders

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    Say What? We got to the dance without his ass all we need to do is trade him get a high draft pick and a good player or two and we right back to being contenders
    this roster without kawhi has such a tiny window (since its entirely dependent on 32 year old LMA)... and a high draft pick wont be developed by that time

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    Would hope a big in the first, combo-forward in the second. If Kawhi is traded, that pick can go to a wing. Assuming he stays, though, they have him, Anderson, Blossom, White and Paul even if Danny leaves and Manu hangs them up. An LLE-level free agent could fill any gap still missing after all that. However, just like with the guards this year, the Spurs have to attack their big problem with excess
    Anderson = Not worth keeping for over 5 mils per year.
    Blossomgame = unproven. Can't count on him panning out.
    White = Should play PG.
    Paul = Scrub
    Danny = will leave
    Manu = will probably opt in.

    So, if Kawhi stays (not a very likely "if") you only have him and a 42 year old as your only two wings. And you don't feel like getting more wings.

    Spurs need to get as many athletic, tall wings that can shoot as possible, tbh. The Spurs already have their bigmen inked for the next season: Aldridge, Gasol and Lauvergne, with Costello as a roster injury replacement. In today's NBA you don't need more than 3 or 4 bigs in your roster and like it or not, the Spurs already have those spots secured. They made their sandwich and now they have to eat it. Sure, if you can get other big by somehow trading Gasol it would be awesome. But if Gasol stays put, the Spurs can't afford wasting more roster spots on bigs.

    Seriously son, get with the times already.

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    As long as you got a window you got a chance I still think we have a good chance if we make the right moves. Retire Tony, trade Gasol and Mills, release Paul and Forbes. Trade Kawhi keep Rudy, Manu, White, Murray, LMA, figure out Bertans and Anderson.

    So you got one or two good draft picks and probably a good starter in the trade. We still have some good foreign draft picks that I think could help us next year
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    Dejounte/White/Kawhi would be a great starting unit... but the depth after that is pretty bare. Hard to know who is going to be the backup 3

    - Danny is likely gone, and I have no clue what Anderson's FA value.
    - White isn't somebody who can be interchangeably played at the 2 or 3 imo, he lacks the size to match up with most 3's. He's a combo guard more than a wing.
    - Unknown if Manu will be back, and realistically can't expect much more than 15-20 mpg even if he comes back, and that time would likely be split between the 2 and 3
    - Paul sucks tbh... if we're counting on him to be in the rotation then we're doing something wrong
    - Hanga would actually be useful, but that ship has sailed

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    Anderson = Not worth keeping for over 5 mils per year.
    Blossomgame = unproven. Can't count on him panning out.
    White = Should play PG.
    Paul = Scrub
    Danny = will leave
    Manu = will probably opt in.

    So, if Kawhi stays (not a very likely "if") you only have him and a 42 year old as your only two wings. And you don't feel like getting more wings.

    Spurs need to get as many athletic, tall wings that can shoot as possible, tbh. The Spurs already have their bigmen inked for the next season: Aldridge, Gasol and Lauvergne, with Costello as a roster injury replacement. In today's NBA you don't need more than 3 or 4 bigs in your roster and like it or not, the Spurs already have those spots secured. They made their sandwich and now they have to eat it. Sure, if you can get other big by somehow trading Gasol it would be awesome. But if Gasol stays put, the Spurs can't afford wasting more roster spots on bigs.

    Seriously son, get with the times already.
    while i agree with you on pretty much everything... Its not like these players of which you speak ( "athletic, tall wings that can shoot" ) for grow on tree's..

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