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If he's available, I don't see how we can pass on him.
so if he doesn't retire, he wouldn't be playing for free...
If he's available, I don't see how we can pass on him.
Maybe so, but I actually saw a few mocks projecting us to take him.
None of this matter much until the situation with Kawhi is sorted out, tbh...
And yeah, I'm afraid PATFO might be in love with Fathead, which pretty much guarantees we won't be compe ive for a number of seasons, with or without Kawhi, tbh...
Yes, he would. He'd get the money regardless, so he's not going to be getting paid to play.
Because Pop likes humility
Oh you mean free as him getting 'free money' whether he plays or not. I thought you meant he would play for free (as in, not receive compensation).
He wouldn’t get anything additional whether he plays or not (beyond what’s already guaranteed to him... that is)
Last edited by SAGirl; 04-12-2018 at 10:33 PM.
Lol all of them.
Don't give me this "Manu's bigger than money" comment. Dude took $14 Million at 39 years of age.
Manu didn't sign a two-year deal with the plan to play both years. I know this seems counter-intuitive, but he wanted to play next year, he would have signed a one-year deal with an option. Doing that would have given him the flexibility to opt out and get more money while also giving the team a chance to renounce him for cap space (since they could give him a new min deal even if they went over the cap). It does nobody good for Manu to take the deal he did if he plan wasn't to retire. Obviously, he could change his mind, and perhaps this season has made him do that. But if he does come back, it will be for no more money than he will make not playing. It's not realistic to think he's going to do that, regardless of the conceit of pretending Argentinians are the only folks who can understand Manu after the dude has been with the team for so long.
The Spurs will know on Green and Rudy before the draft. They'll probably know on Kawhi too. They can definitely keep at least one of Anderson/Bertans if they want to. You throw in Blossomgame, White and Paul, and you really don't have that much uncertainty. Moreover, the team will have a lot of flexibility to replace any of those guys who leave in free agency, and they will have to do that rather than just drafting. Gay, Green and Anderson are rotation players. You aren't asking a rookie to fill those slots.Bertans probably is, unfortunately.
Forbes should be.
If Green doesn't opt in (which is far from a given, imho), he is probably out too.
Anderson depends on his price tag, I don't know why you paint his stay as a sure thing. And like I said: anything above 5 mil per year would be overpaying, imho. But PATFO gave Mills 10 mil per and Gasol 17, so you never know with them.
Heck, even Rudy could be gone.
The Spurs wings are fine. , they're more than fine. Kawhi's loss has made everyone look worse. But if this rotation were healthy, it would be:On top of that, the collection of wings that the Spurs have is subpar, every single one of them has a major flaw. The one that can't shoot is a midget, the one that can't move laterally can't dribble, the one that isn't 42 years old is a scrub that doesn't even get minutes. The Spurs FO needs to take advantage of the fact that most of them are free agents, or potential free agents, and let them go. Signing Forbes to any kind of deal, or overpaying for Anderson, would be a huge mistake.
Murray, Ginobili
Leonard, Green
Anderson, Gay
Golden State is the only team that can argue it has a better rotation than that. I shudder to think how Houston's middle guys would be without Harden. Murray isn't going anywhere. Kawhi being traded is going to cause a cascade of changes that will result in a new starting SF among other things. White's ready to replace Manu. Gay's role as a go-to scorer will be replaced by an MLE vet, because it's too important to leave open. If Anderson leaves, you put Bertans there. They aren't both going to leave. Green's is the only role you might consider using a pick on, but even that would either be filled with a Kawhi trade or by a compe ion between guys like Paul and Blossomgame. It's not a critical spot.
I can't imagine what you'd be saying about the big rotation had LMA been the guy out all year and they run with Gasol and Joff getting big minutes.
Mitc Robinson will be a project. He likely won’t be ready to contribute for two to three years tbh.
I would have meant that if I'd said he was "literally playing for free". I said "essentially" because him playing doesn't earn him any more money than him retiring would.
The last time the Spurs drafted this high without having to trade up produced James Anderson. The Spurs missed out on Quincy Pondexter and Hassan Whiteside. Pondexter can probably come here as an FA and Whiteside was a gamble because of his on-court issues. Another dud was Livio Jean-Charles. Spurs narrowly missed out on Gobert, Crabbe, and Abrines. The draft will always be a crap shoot. I’d rather have Jokic over Kyle Anderson any day but there aren’t a lot of players I’d give up Kyle for between the 30th and 41st.
As an aside there’s always someone from the slated top 15 picks that falls. Spurs had the luxury of choosing among Murray, Deyonta Davis, and Brogdon. In hindsight Brogdon would’ve been nice, but Murray’s upside is showing its benefits and Pop’s investment seems to be paying off. I’m not saying I fully trust their draft strategy (at some point almost traded for Valanciunas) but they seem to do better than most. I just hope it’s not some cookie cutter white American kid whose value the NCAA improved by nationally televised games. DiVincenzo, Grayson Allen....just no.
White American kids aren’t doing so great in the NBA tbh. Only white American kid in the ASG was Kevin Love. All the white people in the Rising Stars Challenge came from overseas. Zach Collins, Luke Kennard, TJ Leaf all look like they’ll be out of the league in 3-4 years. Unless you have extremely great shooting like Korver or Novak (lol) you’ll probably have a hard time carving out a career in the NBA. Guys like Grayson Allen and Donte DiVincenzo shouldn’t even be considered unless they fall in the second round.
Isn’t Kostas Antena..not even gonna try to spell the name, Giannis’s brother entering the draft? Probably doesn’t fall that far but he’s supposed to be the best shooter of the Antenaki brothers
I don't get this line of argument, tbh... he took what the market said he was worth then, he also left money on the table at age 37 and possibly earlier than that too... It's not a situation like Parker who was always extended to the max allowed by the CBA...
That said, Manu coming back or not will likely have way more to do with how he feels than anything else, including Kawhi... I also fully expect Pop to tell him he wants him back next season, like it's been happening the last couple of times...
Yes you do.
Taking market value doesn't show money isn't important to you. And that's ignoring that by your definition, a player can never make more than market value.he took what the market said he was worth then, he also left money on the table at age 37 and possibly earlier than that too...
Parker took a discount in his prime (the $50M/4 extension he signed prior to his current contract; his salary for each of those years was lower than salary he had the year before the extension). Manu, on the other hand, took the max in 2010 with all the bells and whistles thrown in after hinting that he'd leave that summer had the team not complied.It's not a situation like Parker who was always extended to the max allowed by the CBA...
I'm not going to say Manu will retire. That gets into prediction, and that's lame AF. All I can say is that he did not sign a contract one would sign if they intended to leave open the possibility of coming back another year.That said, Manu coming back or not will likely have way more to do with how he feels than anything else, including Kawhi... I also fully expect Pop to tell him he wants him back next season, like it's been happening the last couple of times...
Last edited by raybies; 04-13-2018 at 02:24 AM.
Difficult To say something about Mitc Robinson as he didn’t play At least in NCAA.
He looks like mobile but a little thin so i don’t know if he can defend nba bigs. Shooting form is a akward but he can make some outside shots. Intriguing prospect.
I love Manu, but I hate when you s do this. Decades of having to listen to this bull and its REALLY annoying when its factually incorrect. Just ing stop already.
No I don't.
Taking market value means you got paid what you were worth, AND in addition, he left money on the table to help the franchise, and we're not talking a few bucks. You know this, I don't really need to point it out.
It was for the same (more actually) than Manu, who did take the max that time (Tony $50m/4, Manu 39.8/3). But why don't you go forward? What happened after that max extension? $7.5m, $7m, $2.8m, while Tony was (and still is) making upwards of $10m...
So don't tell me Manu didn't leave money on the table to give the team a lift. So did Duncan, BTW.
Well, honestly, I wish he would retire because he has nothing left to prove, and you don't want to retire looking like Tony, tbh... on the other hand, if you know anything about Manu, he probably would feel embarrassed of cashing checks and not working for them, so that, and the fact he had a solid season, actually makes me think he might come back for another rodeo.
Go make a podcast so your grandma can hear about it, high school coach.
Yes you do. It's not a hard concept. You can disagree with it if you want.
You're conflating terms here. Market value is what you can command on the market. It is not how you stack up in comparison to other players in the league. Manu got what he could get and thusly got his market value. That showed money was important to him. What he didn't get was just what he was due. He got at least twice as much as that.Taking market value means you got paid what you were worth
Doesn't mean he didn't care a lot about money. Tim opted into a deal knowing he wasn't going to play that year to get the money. He cared about money too. Manu would not have taken one-year deals recently had he not cared about money.he left money on the table to help the franchise, and we're not talking a few bucks
It was not the same for Manu. Manu took the max; Tony didn't. Tony gave up more than $10 Million over the life of that deal. Manu took every cent and got a trade kicker. Ginobili literally could not have gotten more in an extension. We've been through this exact conversation at least twice over the years. Manu didn't give up money until he got quite old. The closest he came was that rumored Denver deal, though that was never supported.It was for the same (more actually) than Manu, who did take the max that time (Tony $50m/4, Manu 39.8/3).
$7Mish was Manu's value back then. We (meaning me and some guys like Mel and Bruno) hashed it out when Manu signed that contract. Guards his age with his production and impact were making that much back then. It felt like a discount because he had been overpaid the year before. By the time he actually took a legit paycut, he was 38 years old. When he was Tony's age, he was making almost as much against a cap almost half the size it is now. To put it into perspective, at the same age where Tony wants to retire, Manu was making $14 Million.But why don't you go forward? What happened after that max extension? $7.5m, $7m, $2.8m, while Tony was (and still is) making upwards of $10m
Again this conceit. Manu took an option year on his room-exception 2015 contract. The whole point of doing that was so he could get deferred salary in case retired. That doesn't make him a bad guy (Tim did it), and deferring salary can be seen as good thing even. But no amount of "Manu's from my homeland, so I know him best" changes how these contracts work. A Ginobili who felt the way some fans think he does would not have taken that second year.Well, honestly, I wish he would retire because he has nothing left to prove, and you don't want to retire looking like Tony, tbh... on the other hand, if you know anything about Manu, he probably would feel embarrassed of cashing checks and not working for them, so that, and the fact he had a solid season, actually makes me think he might come back for another rodeo.
Not to mention that even if Manu decided he didn't want to be paid to not play, he could agree to leave that money on the table in a buyout.
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