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    wonkecho chamber
    In kind donation of something of value.

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    Feel free to explain then, what the ramifications are of someone pleading the 5th in a civil trial.

    Was the analysis flawed?

    I'm happy to peer outside my echo chamber, if I have one, to any analysis of this development you might want post. Go on. I'll wait.

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    Feel free to explain then, what the ramifications are of someone pleading the 5th in a civil trial.

    Was the analysis flawed?

    I'm happy to peer outside my echo chamber, if I have one, to any analysis of this development you might want post. Go on. I'll wait.
    No one claimed all information coming out of an echo chamber was false.

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    So arrest him.

    I look forward to it.

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    oh. so the book is true.

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    No one claimed all information coming out of an echo chamber was false.
    If someone is willing to look outside their normal information sources, and doesn't knee-jerk dismiss things they don't agree with, that is, by definition, not someone in an echo chamber.

    Did you read the article?

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    Mueller - Man of integrity.


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    oh. so the book is true.
    One would be hard pressed though, to explain what information relative to "substantive merits" if any ongoing investigation are in this book.

    Doubt you will find anything that meets that bar.

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    Mueller - Man of integrity.

    trying so hard

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    Lynch throws Comey under the bus. Comey throws Lynch under the bus. McCabe throws Comey under the bus. Comey throws McCabe under the bus. Brennan melting down on MSNBC and Twitter for a month. Clapper melting down on CNN.

    This has been amazing to watch

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    No wonder they wanted that redacted.

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    .... Broidy resigns.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/u...en-payout.html

    Now we just need to find that housekeeper's offspring.

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    Without having access to either we don't know what was included in the final report they had access to. And with the OIG report release being pushed back it leaves open the possibility that McCabe is under criminal investigation.
    "lacked candor"

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    The OIG report is going to be brutal. Top FBI/DOJ rats already scurrying from the dossier as fast as they can.

    ======

    It’s every man and woman for themselves as the collective groups of architects behind the entire FBI Counterintelligence Operation, that brought us the 18-month-long ‘vast Russian conspiracy’ narrative, now attempt to back-track from all previous assertions.

    Two days ago we shared very strong confidence the joint FBI (counterintelligence) and DOJ (National Security Division) scheme was going to come out. The reason is simple, they left too big a trail of factual and provable evidence of their activity.

    It is not coincidental that just as scrutiny over the 2016 FBI FISA court application gains traction in congress and media, the insider intelligence community started leaking to the New York Times about the insignificance of the Steele Dossier as it relates to the FISA court application. Look, over there, it was George Papadopoulos; not the DOJ FISA construct that was used by the FBI to launch surveillance upon candidate Trump. Swear.

    Laughable.

    Predictable.

    For more than a year the Steele Dossier was the most valuable evidence to the Russian narrative; then, poof, in the blink-of-an-eye, not so much – it became a risk. Funny that. The transparency of motive is brutally obvious, too many FBI and DOJ people at risk now. The trail is too easy to follow.

    It was only a matter of time before Fusion-GPS spoke up toward the same goal of track-covering. Yesterday Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch [Hi Glenn] posted an Op-Ed in the New York Times attempting further distance.

    According to Glenn and Pete:

    […] “We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.” (more)

    Additionally, Fusion GPS also claims they never spoke to the FBI: “We did not speak to the F.B.I. and haven’t since.”, which is bizarre given the previous reports of Glenn Simpson talking to FBI Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok. Isn’t Peter Strzok in the FBI?

    Con uously absent from the Fusion Op-Ed is any mention of Glenn Simpson’s wife, Mary B Jacoby, and her involvement therein. Additionally their explanations are devoid of the prior meeting or contact with DOJ Deputy Attorney Bruce Ohr, the guy who was demoted for meeting with them without telling anyone. Another curious missing detail is Simpson, Jacoby and Fritsch hiring Bruce Ohr’s wife Nellie Ohr to work on the “Trump project”.

    Nope. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

    Unfortunately for Glenn and Pete the part about them saying the dossier was taken seriously because it corroborated reports the FBI had from another source, “including one inside the Trump camp”, leads to Business Insider asking questions about that source.

    Who does that corroborative source turn out to be? Oh yeah:

    […] a person with knowledge of Fusion’s testimony and the op-ed told Business Insider on Tuesday. … it was a reference to George Papadopoulos. (link)

    So the current narrative is: the FBI didn’t likely use the Steele Dossier in the FISA court application, but rather the FBI’s confirmation of a source within the Steele Dossier, as given by the author of the Dossier, was likely used in the FISA court application.

    See how that works?

    The “dossier” didn’t originate the FISA application to conduct surveillance on candidate Donald Trump; the source (Papadopoulos) quoted “inside the dossier” originated the FISA application. Let’s play a game; it’s called “Semantics”.

    Except there’s another problem.

    Stuff happens when people begin the ‘every-man-for-himself‘ routine; the central narrative control collapses.

    Simultaneous to Fusions’ Op-Ed protestations, the former Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, appears on CNN to say, he never heard of George Papadopoulos – and he should know, because his office put out the 2016/2017 Joint Analysis Report. That’s the 17-agency (eyeroll) definitive story on all things ‘Muh Russian Conspiracy’.

    So now what?

    Not what, “who”?

    Yeah, who?

    Who’d he throw it to?

    I dunno.

    “Third Base.”

    Fusion-GPS’s, Glenn Simpson, is playing Abbott to ODNI, James Clapper’s, Costello.

    Why? Because the entire back-story that centers around the Steele Dossier, how it was assembled (Clinton Camp) and how it was used collaboratively by the DOJ (National Security Division) and FBI (Counterintelligence unit), is a case study in how to mislead a FISA court to gain an unlawful warrant to wiretap and conduct surveillance on political opponents.

    And I remind you, that approach is what the former Obama head of the DOJ National Security Division, Asst. Attorney General John P Carlin, admitted to the FISA court weeks after the Trump wiretap and surveillance warrant was issued.

    A newly released court order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) found that the National Security Agency, under former President Obama, routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall. In describing the violations, the FISA court said the illegal searches conducted by the NSA under Obama were “widespread” and created a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue.” These new discoveries come from a recently unsealed FISA court do ent dated April 26, 2017 and center around a hearing dated October 26, 2017, just days before the 2016 election, in which the FISA court apparently learned for the first time of “widespread” and illegal spying on American citizens by the NSA under the Obama administration. (pdf link)

    As the Inspector General investigation continues: ♦FBI Agent Peter Strzok has been reassigned to the HR department. ♦FBI Lawyer Lisa Page, personal legal aide to FBI Asst. Director, Andrew “Andy” McCabe, has been returned to the DOJ side. ♦FBI Chief Legal Counsel James Baker has been relieved of his duties by FBI Director Christopher Wray. ♦FBI Asst Director Andrew McCabe has announced his intent to retire in March.

    All of these FBI personnel moves are a preliminary outcomes of the still ongoing Office of Inspector General (OIG) investigation. All of this has been reported. None of these moves are speculative. All of these geese are cooked. However, this is just one side of the 2016 political “Trump operation”, the FBI investigative Counterintelligence Division side.

    The other side, the legal side of the Trump operation, stems from the National Security Division of the DOJ. A FISA application is submitted from the DOJ-NSD for use by the FBI Counterintelligence team. Sunlight upon this side of the collaboration is the reason for all of the current distraction narratives.


    While both sides of the corrupt political apparatus participated in the illegal unmasking and leaking, the do entation and activity behind the origin of the FISA application is the current ‘hot potato’ no-one wants any association with.

    The FISA application(s) and the subsequent wiretapping and surveillance collection, along with the unmasking that followed, is the focus of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes.

    Sometime this month, after the initial Inspector General Michael Horowitz release, House Judiciary Chair Bob Goodlatte and Senate Judiciary Chair Chuck Grassley will likely call for a Special Counsel to investigate the upper-level management of the FBI and DOJ.

    We should support that approach. The SC can quickly put a Grand Jury together and start presenting the IG investigative evidence, as well as enforceable subpoenas for witnesses.

    There’s a lot of different down-stream legal issues:

    The unlawful exoneration of Hillary Clinton by political operatives in the DOJ/FBI.
    The unlawful destruction of evidence; and the manipulation of investigative protocols to gain a specific and pre-planned political outcome. (Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe)
    The unlawful use of the FISA court for political spy operations by the DOJ/FBI.
    The unlawful use of the Dept of Justice National Security Division. For weaponized political benefit. (Sally Yates, Loretta Lynch, Bruce Ohr)
    The unlawful use of the FBI Counterintelligence Division. For weaponized political benefit. (James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, James Baker)
    The unlawful use of a Special Counsel (Mueller) investigation to hide the conspiracy; (James Baker, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Andrew Weissman, Jeannie Rhee, Aaron Zebley)
    All of the origination details are part of the minutia that will surface in the next 30 days. Devin Nunes, Bob Goodlatte and Chuck Grassley using the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees to collect evidence and tell the public everything outlined HERE and more.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...mpression=true
    this beauty is not aging well

    "lacked candor" vs "unlawful exoneration"

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    1. Oh, man. If I’m looking at things right, this OIG report is going to stun the nation. This is going to be MASSIVE.


    2. POTUS may already have this report, given his tweets over the last 24 hours. Trump certainly knows about it. Even he seems shocked.

    3. Forget Watergate. Forget any scandal you have ever heard about, researched or read about in your lifetimes. The scale of what is going to emerge in the next days and weeks will be unlike anything you have ever considered possible.

    4. In the frame - the entire network that enabled Hillary Clinton’s corrupt campaign is about to be exposed & routed. This is the same network - but not all of it - that enabled Obama’s corruption, as well. But there's so much more that will probably be revealed.

    5. Here’s the full original statement by the Office of the Inspector General dated Jan 12, 2017 -
    oig.justice.gov/press/2017/201…

    In this thread, let’s just consider the specific allegations they mention in the statement.

    6. 'Allegations that Department or FBI policies or procedures were not followed in connection with, or in actions leading up to or related to, the FBI Director’s public announcement on July 5, 2016, /..

    7./...and the Director’s letters to Congress on October 28 and November 6, 2016, and that certain underlying investigative decisions were based on improper considerations;’.

    8. Targets : Comey, Lynch, Bill Clinton, McCabe, Strzok. Anyone involved in the fraudulent clearance of Hillary Clinton by James Comey on that fateful day in July, as well as the farcical shut down/cover up of the Human Abedin email trove (November) is about to be nailed.

    9. Those not exposed have either flipped on a plea deal, or WILL be exposed. All of them.

    Speculating - but I now suspect Strzok & perhaps Lisa Page flipped and were ‘recruited’ by Mueller into his SC, in order to tell the OIG everything they knew.

    10. Next - 'Allegations that the FBI Deputy Director should have been recused from participating in certain investigative matters;’

    Targets - Andrew McCabe & Comey.

    11. This will expose McCabe’s links to the Clintons, especially his accepting some $700,000 as a bribe from the Clintons to cover up the investigations into her classified material. As well as any other shonky conduct he has been up to over the years.

    12. Next - 'Allegations that the Department’s Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs improperly disclosed non-public information to the Clinton campaign and/or should have been recused from participating in certain matters;’

    13. Target - Peter Kadzic.

    This will expose Peter Kadzik’s role investigating & working with Comey / McCabe to shut down the Human Abedin email trove:


    14. And also Kadzik's general collusion with the Clinton Campaign itself (note - this email was sent from his gmail to Podesta):

    15. Next - 'Allegations that Department and FBI employees improperly disclosed non-public information;’

    This will expose the LEAKERS. But also the entire Comey/ McCabe/Kadzik network within the FBI & DoJ may be in the frame here.

    16. Note that this is about to drop just after genFlynn quietly departs the scene. Thomas Wictor’s important analysis has revealed Flynn’s masterful role in identifying these individuals.

    17. Next - 'Allegations that decisions regarding the timing of the FBI’s release of certain FOIA do ents on October 30 and November 1, 2016, and the use of a Twitter account to publicize same, were influenced by improper considerations.'

    Oh boy. This is EXTREMELY interesting.

    18. On October 30, 2016 FBIRecordsVault , a twitter account that had been inactive since 8 October 2015, suddenly exploded into life again.

    There were TWENTY tweets released on October 30, 2016.

    19. These included innocuous tweets about Eric Trump, the father of DJT:

    And Nikola Tesla :
    But there were other tweets, as well.

    20. About General Petraus, whose career was ended by Obama for mishandling of classified information :




    21. And about a certain infamous politician who had committed far more serious breaches, but always seemed to skate - Hillary Rodham Clinton :




    22. On 1 November, the same twitter account tweeted about FBI investigations into a certain infamous President who always seemed to skate, as well - Bill Clinton:

    23. Quote - 'The bulk of these records come from a 2001 FBI investigation into the pardon of Marc Rich (1934-2013), aka Marcell David Reich, by President Clinton in 2001.'

    24. Targets : Bill Clinton, Eric Holder (the Assistant AG who cleared Rich) & John Podesta (Bill Clinton’s Chief of Staff).

    Oh, another thing.

    25. Following the pardon, the same Marc Rich helped Bill Clinton set up his Foundation, which used the front of a charity as cover for a massive criminal enterprise involving pay to play, money laundering, /...

    26. /..racketeering & tax evasion - at the very least. Crimes Rich had a particular expertise in:
    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich…

    27. The final sentence of the OIG statement is often overlooked, but VERY important.

    'Finally, if cir stances warrant, the OIG will consider including other issues that may arise during the course of the review.'

    28. This essentially authorizes the OIG & DOJ to investigate anything they want arising from the above, which is pretty much everything the Clintons & perhaps even Obama himself, have been up to.

    29. Folks, I’m going to say it : #TheStorm IS ABOUT TO HIT. And it's unlike anything we have ever seen before.

    BUCKLE UP.

    The end.

    https://twitter.com/Imperator_Rex3/s...36769561468928
    "lacked candor"

    vs

    "11. This will expose McCabe’s links to the Clintons, especially his accepting some $700,000 as a bribe from the Clintons to cover up the investigations into her classified material. As well as any other shonky conduct he has been up to over the years."


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    "lacked candor"

    vs

    "11. This will expose McCabe’s links to the Clintons, especially his accepting some $700,000 as a bribe from the Clintons to cover up the investigations into her classified material. As well as any other shonky conduct he has been up to over the years."

    according to the OIG report he was pushing back to keep the investigation going after the DOJ pressed him asking why the investigation is still ongoing

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    "lacked candor"

    vs

    "11. This will expose McCabe’s links to the Clintons, especially his accepting some $700,000 as a bribe from the Clintons to cover up the investigations into her classified material. As well as any other shonky conduct he has been up to over the years."

    You think this is all that's coming from the OIG report?

    The initial memo has 5 different aspects of the investigation and the OIG has now expanded into investigating FISA abuse.

    Splits with the LMAO nervous laughter

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    You think this is all that's coming from the OIG report?

    The initial memo has 5 different aspects of the investigation and the OIG has now expanded into investigating FISA abuse.

    Splits with the LMAO nervous laughter
    Yeah, the "violating media policy" bombs is JUST THE BEGINNING

    WAIT FOR IT.....


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    No wonder they wanted that redacted.
    The Unraveling

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    according to the OIG report he was pushing back to keep the investigation going after the DOJ pressed him asking why the investigation is still ongoing


    bull he was pushing back. He blamed the other field offices for the leaks he authorized.

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    You talking about your mind here?

    That went a long time ago.

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