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I feel for Forbes. He’s shown flashes. He competes and works hard. Just not a consistent role player.
LMA's play, Manu's heart and Gay's comeback from a REAL serious injury earned a playoff spot tbh.
I feel for Forbes. He’s shown flashes. He competes and works hard. Just not a consistent role player.
It's not about how much he makes. It's about taking up a roster spot and guys knowing as long as he is on the roster, he's gonna play in from of them, especially in the playoffs.Yeah, I'm sure Manu's 2,5 mils per year contract really hurts the Spurs chances of getting good free agents.
You mean we/Kawhi/the rest of the roster wasted these efforts.
What they earned was the right to play with someone who is good at basketball next season, but we basically have to bring this roster back plus a good draft pick for Kawhi, if we're lucky enough to get an offer that includes a high pick.
We're so ed.
Like TP and his 6 minutes of playing time? If players were better than ManU they’d be playing like guys over TP are
this is wholly nonsensical.And we're with stuck with Forbe like players because Manu won't retire.
As long as we stop employing G leaguers in the offseason, we'll be fine, tbh.
We don't have a choice.
Dude if any young wing on the Spurs showed even half the habilities of Manu to initiate offense, you better believe Pop would be playing that guy 35 minutes per game. Do you think Pop had in mind playing Manu for 25 + minutes in so many games of the season at this point of his career?
Too many placeholders taking up valuable real estate. It's been this way far too long. It's a major reason why the Spurs pass on key contributing free agents and sign scrubs to non-guaranteed roles. Pop allocates minutes to all his players and if he can't find minutes, he'll pass on the NBA talent and dip into the pool of NBA wannabes. Unlike Pop, most coaches don't coach with a conscience. They stack a roster and worry about minutes allocation later.Yeah, I'm sure Manu's 2,5 mils per year contract really hurts the Spurs chances of getting good free agents.
We're getting 18th pick and if we trade KawhysoSoft, which looks to be an 90% certainty, we are getting a high draft pick in return along with a decent NBA player. We could either get two solid rookies off that or flip those two picks and get a top 10 pick, which would still put us in good shape tbh. I think we'll find a way to stay relevant.
So for the last 8 years, we've yet to find a replacement for Manu? NOBODY can fill his role? Not one player in NBA is, as you say, half capable of filling Manu's role? Even 40 year old Manu?
Pop let Simmons walk without even making an offer. Will Simmons ever be as good as prime Manu? No. But he would be a lot more valuable in this series against Golden State.
Don't like Simmons, but this is true. So long as Manu's on the roster, Pop will give him a rotation spot. Because Manu will have that rotation spot, Pop will never see the need to upgrade that spot, because Manu's there, and if he can just go other there and give a good two-and-a-half minutes, or whatever. Let him go -- let them all go. Actually attack that position with new guys instead of trying patch something together around Tony, Manu, Danny and Patty.
If Simmons was your Manu replacement I know why you want Manu out so much. You aren't very good at analysing basketball, tbh.
The Spurs need to find wings that can shoot and/or that don't turn it over as often as they get assists, tbh. Simmons wasn't that guy. He was the ultimate style over substance player. If he was still here, we would be ing about his losing style of play, tbh.
Get some rookies with potential and some solid veterans (in other stories, some more Manu's but a bit younger), it shouldn't really be that difficult.
But the problem isn't with Manu and his 2,5 millions per year. The problem is PATFO and his missconceptions about guys like Mills, Gasol, Forbes and Tony, tbh.
Manu is perfectly fine as a 4th wing, and that's the role Pop had for him with everyone healthy and playing at the level Pop thought they were gonna play. Not Manu's fault that everyone around him got injured or started sucking.
Simmons being let go had nothing to do with Manu and all to do with his scrubness as an NBA player, tbh. When Danny Green showed he could play, he wasn't let go because we already had Manu, he got paid because PATFO realized he was going to be a player that would help us win.
Simmons wasn't my Manu replacement. But a young valuable player wasn't replaced for Simmons either. It's was just Manu again, at 40 years old.If Simmons was your Manu replacement I know why you want Manu out so much. You aren't very good at analysing basketball, tbh.
The Spurs need to find wings that can shoot and/or that don't turn it over as often as they get assists, tbh. Simmons wasn't that guy. He was the ultimate style over substance player. If he was still here, we would be ing about his losing style of play, tbh.
Get some rookies with potential and some solid veterans (in other stories, some more Manu's but a bit younger), it shouldn't really be that difficult.
But the problem isn't with Manu and his 2,5 millions per year. The problem is PATFO and his missconceptions about guys like Mills, Gasol, Forbes and Tony, tbh.
And misconceptions about guys like Mills, Gasol, Forbes and Tony are easier with ol comfy Manu locked into that roster spot keeping his same role. They will never address the need to replace him so they are free to continue to misconceive those other guys.
You're trying to separate the two issues but they actually go hand in hand. Manu is eating up a roster spot. If replacing Manu was really a priority, they would have done it already. After all, you said it should be that that difficult.
The team doesn't need "fine" anymore. They need good. Plus, Manu is hardly fine nowadays. He's sometimes brilliant, but he's too often abysmal. That's not what you want, no matter how little money he's taking.
Bad example. Danny and Manu weren't competing for a spot. In fact, Danny was the player the team had been searching for for years, even since Finley stopped being good. Simmons, especially in a world with Green still in it, would been exactly what Manu is. He was never on track to be the starter in SA. Add in that the team already had Green, and there wasn't room for all three. Even as a min guy, Manu wasn't going to fall out of the rotation.Simmons being let go had nothing to do with Manu and all to do with his scrubness as an NBA player, tbh. When Danny Green showed he could play, he wasn't let go because we already had Manu, he got paid because PATFO realized he was going to be a player that would help us win.
Why? Guys like Mills, Forbes, Tony and Gasol either suck completely or are being way overpaid for what they can do on an NBA court. Manu doesn't fall in any of these two categories.
Manu for 2,5 millions as the 4th wing on a contender is a luxury to have. You thinking that somehow his mere presence is the reason for the Spurs not being able to upgrade it's roster is completely your own subjective and, imho, misguided idea. Keep the positive players (specially if cheap) and dump the negative ones, that's roster building 101. You, for some reason, want to dump a positive cheap player. It's dumbassery at it's finest.
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He has been perfectly fine this season (without him we miss the playoffs) and in the two playoff games so far (unlike your boys Danny and Anderson, tbh).
If PATFO would have thought Simmons was good enough to warrant a long term deal, he (Simmons) would have probably be sharing backup wings minutes with Manu. They would have both been getting rotation minutes and playing together, like they did the last year Simmons was with the Spurs. So no, it wouldn't have been Simmons or Manu. Also, Manu > Simmons, so it's a moot point anyway.Bad example. Danny and Manu weren't competing for a spot. In fact, Danny was the player the team had been searching for for years, even since Finley stopped being good. Simmons, especially in a world with Green still in it, would been exactly what Manu is. He was never on track to be the starter in SA. Add in that the team already had Green, and there wasn't room for all three. Even as a min guy, Manu wasn't going to fall out of the rotation.
Pop loves soft short players who cant shoot and also are light skinned.He's the exact player Pop loves
He'll have a hard-on for midget SG's who play no defense until he dies of skin cancer
More coming from the draft, stay tuned.
He hasn't.
I already said I don't really like Simmons as a player (which you know, because we've been on the same side in that Simmons thread all season). So saying he's not better than Manu is more incidental than anything. Green's just not a good example. He and Mills were the puzzle pieces Pop finally found to slot in with Tony and Manu to solidify his back court. Of course he kept them around. Whether Jon deserved the money or not, the argument is that Pop seems to still be looking for a guys to fit into that puzzle with Tony and Manu, and until he realizes that it's time to just throw out the puzzle, the whole thing is going to continue to decay.If PATFO would have thought Simmons was good enough to warrant a long term deal, he (Simmons) would have probably sharing backup wings minutes with Manu. They would have both been getting rotation minutes and playing together, like they did the last year Simmons was with the Spurs. So no, it wouldn't have been Simmons or Manu. Also, Manu > Simmons, so it's a moot point anyway.
Of course, it's a different thing altogether to think that if Pop felt Simmons was the superior player to Manu that somehow Manu would still be getting minutes. That's just sort of mind-boggling. Like if Manu is a "fine" fourth-wing, and the Spurs had had a better wing to add to the rotation, Manu would be the fifth wing (who can't even pretend to play the four even in this era), and shouldn't be sharing anyone's minutes.
Mills/Forbes too short to guard Thompson period. White can bring the same outside shot plus better defense. I hope makes the adjustment to give Forbes minutes to White. I’d be even okay to start White with Danny, Kyle, Gay and LMA.
From the guy that hasn't even watched the game.
Heck, if the Spurs can somehow find 4 wings better than Manu I'm all for it. I doubt it though, specially at Manu's cost.I already said I don't really like Simmons as a player (which you know, because we've been on the same side in that Simmons thread all season). So saying he's not better than Manu is more incidental than anything. Green's just not a good example. He and Mills were the puzzle pieces Pop finally found to slot in with Tony and Manu to solidify his back court. Of course he kept them around. Whether Jon deserved the money or not, the argument is that Pop seems to still be looking for a guys to fit into that puzzle with Tony and Manu, and until he realizes that it's time to just throw out the puzzle, the whole thing is going to continue to decay.
Of course, it's a different thing altogether to think that if Pop felt Simmons was the superior player to Manu that somehow Manu would still be getting minutes. That's just sort of mind-boggling. Like if Manu is a "fine" fourth-wing, and the Spurs had had a better wing to add to the rotation, Manu would be the fifth wing (who can't even pretend to play the four even in this era), and shouldn't be sharing anyone's minutes.
But getting rid of him just for the of it, that's just re ed.
So Forbes, Davis and Kyle., maybe they'll all be gone. Young core. Yeah!!! We still have Murray and the apparently unplayable White and some stiffs overseas....
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