Rockets: Woj: CP3 traded to the Rockets

[ambchang]

Going from 4th best team to best team. History defining improvement.

GSW foot off the gas and spurs aging plus injuries had a lot more to do with it. 65 wins sounds good until you realize half the league is tanking and that the spurs won 67 last year with a so so roster against stronger compe ion.

[DAF86]

GSW foot off the gas and spurs aging plus injuries had a lot more to do with it. 65 wins sounds good until you realize half the league is tanking and that the spurs won 67 last year with a so so roster against stronger compe ion.

Bunch of argumentative gimnastics just to don't acknowledge the evident fact that the Rockets are a better team with Paul. You can keep going, I'm just gonna rest on the fact that everybody knows this to be true

[ambchang]

Bunch of argumentative gimnastics just to don't acknowledge the evident fact that the Rockets are a better team with Paul. You can keep going, I'm just gonna rest on the fact that everybody knows this to be true

So is everybody going to start arguing with s lot of people now?

still can’t understand records are relative.
not understanding the 72 win bulls are massively overrated just because of that number as there were two expansion teams that year to dillute the talent.

[dfens]

Bunch of argumentative gimnastics just to don't acknowledge the evident fact that the Rockets are a better team with Paul. You can keep going, I'm just gonna rest on the fact that everybody knows this to be true

son they aren't ringing, we all know the choke is coming tbh

[DAF86]

son they aren't ringing, we all know the choke is coming tbh

So? that doesn't mean the Rockets aren't a better team than last year.

[DAF86]

So is everybody going to start arguing with s lot of people now?

still can’t understand records are relative.
not understanding the 72 win bulls are massively overrated just because of that number as there were two expansion teams that year to dillute the talent.

Record, seeding, off rating, def rating, net rating. By any standard the Rockets are a better team than last year.

" b...b-b....but they only improved a little on offense. "

[ambchang]

Record, seeding, off rating, def rating, net rating. By any standard the Rockets are a better team than last year.

" b...b-b....but they only improved a little on offense. "

The are you talking about?
Orating this year, 2nd in the league, 114.7
Orating last year, 2nd in the league, 114.7

Drating is due to the change in defensive changes and Capella improvement. CP3 is about average on the team in Drating.

The Rockets improved more around Capella's improvement than anything else. The record got better due to wide-spread tanking and GSW having the foot off gas.

It is almost hilarious that you would attribute the defensive improvement of the Rockets to CP3, when he was at best average this year on the Rockets.

[DAF86]

The are you talking about?
Orating this year, 2nd in the league, 114.7
Orating last year, 2nd in the league, 114.7

Drating is due to the change in defensive changes and Capella improvement. CP3 is about average on the team in Drating.

The Rockets improved more around Capella's improvement than anything else. The record got better due to wide-spread tanking and GSW having the foot off gas.

It is almost hilarious that you would attribute the defensive improvement of the Rockets to CP3, when he was at best average this year on the Rockets.

Rockets could win the championship and you would still be here twisting and spinning your way around your ty take, DMC style.

" Rockets got better but it's not because they added a top 10 player in the league without losing any significant piece, is only because of Capella "

[Bill_Brasky]

GSW foot off the gas and spurs aging plus injuries had a lot more to do with it. 65 wins sounds good until you realize half the league is tanking and that the spurs won 67 last year with a so so roster against stronger compe ion.

Spurs only won 61 games last year....

[JamStone]

Can’t discredit 65 wins even if a lot of teams were tanking when no other team in the entire league won even 60. If the league is tanking all over the place, then there should be at least a couple more teams that are contending with inflated 60+ win seasons. And it’s not like all the other good teams dealt with injuries and Houston was completely healthy all season. Rockets core players missed a ton of games too. Their top 6 players missed a combined total of 86 games this season.

Maybe the league was tanking hard this season. But the best record by 6 games means no other team took as much advantage of it than Houston. Deserves credit. Deserves respect.

[ambchang]

Rockets could win the championship and you would still be here twisting and spinning your way around your ty take, DMC style.

" Rockets got better but it's not because they added a top 10 player in the league without losing any significant piece, is only because of Capella "

So are they better in every metric?

[DAF86]

So are they better in every metric?

I didn't check every single metric but yeah, in every important one they are. Many sites have this season's Rockets with a better off rating than last season.

And regardless of that, the point always was Rockets with Paul > Rockets without Paul. Isn't this the case? Aren't the Rockets better this season, with Paul, than last season, without him?

[140]

CP0 has the exact same Ortg as last year, and a worst OBPM Harden meanwhile has improved in both and so has Capela in a big way tbh...if the rockets really are improved they are the ones who deserve the most credit

[DAF86]

Playoffs Harden went 2-18 but luckily for the Rockets they have another top 10 guy to rely on now. No longer it is Harden or bust. But yeah, the Paul move didn't make them better.

[midnightpulp]

CP0 has the exact same Ortg as last year, and a worst OBPM Harden meanwhile has improved in both and so has Capela in a big way tbh...if the rockets really are improved they are the ones who deserve the most credit

Paul sets them up pretty well. Capela is like the roll man king this season, and a lot of that is due to CP3. He's still the best pure PG in the league...in the regular season and Round 1. I was skeptical of how him and Harden would co-exist, since both of them are ball dominant, but it still was a sensible low risk/super high reward gamble. Houston was going nowhere again without change.

That said, Paul has yet to prove , and is nowhere near shedding the choker label.

[monosylab1k]

Playoffs Harden went 2-18 but luckily for the Rockets they have another top 10 guy to rely on now. No longer it is Harden or bust. But yeah, the Paul move didn't make them better.

We have no idea if the Rockets are better now. We’ll see over the next few weeks.

Or are you arguing that 2007 Mavs > 2011 Mavs because of win totals and metrics?

[DAF86]

We have no idea if the Rockets are better now. We’ll see over the next few weeks.

Or are you arguing that 2007 Mavs > 2011 Mavs because of win totals and metrics?

'11 Mavs had Dirk injured for a big part of the season if I recall correctly, that deflated your record and metrics. Also, 2011 Mavs run was very unique and unprecedented. Heck, 2007 Mavs were also like that. There's a very strong posibility that if in 2007 the Mavs would have got a different matchup in round 1, they would have gone all the way.

[gambit1990]

Playoffs Harden went 2-18 but luckily for the Rockets they have another top 10 guy to rely on now. No longer it is Harden or bust. But yeah, the Paul move didn't make them better.

[gambit1990]

'11 Mavs had Dirk injured for a big part of the season if I recall correctly, that deflated your record and metrics. Also, 2011 Mavs run was very unique and unprecedented. Heck, 2007 Mavs were also like that. There's a very strong posibility that if in 2007 the Mavs would have got a different matchup in round 1, they would have gone all the way.

[monosylab1k]

'11 Mavs had Dirk injured for a big part of the season if I recall correctly, that deflated your record and metrics. Also, 2011 Mavs run was very unique and unprecedented. Heck, 2007 Mavs were also like that. There's a very strong posibility that if in 2007 the Mavs would have got a different matchup in round 1, they would have gone all the way.

2007 Mavs were choking regardless of the round. If it wasn’t GS, they would have lost to SA, Phoenix, or Utah without a doubt.

[Fabbs]

2007 Mavs were choking regardless of the round. If it wasn’t GS, they would have lost to SA, Phoenix, or Utah without a doubt.

monoslob keeping it real.

[gambit1990]

wrong thread.

[ambchang]

I didn't check every single metric but yeah, in every important one they are. Many sites have this season's Rockets with a better off rating than last season.

And regardless of that, the point always was Rockets with Paul > Rockets without Paul. Isn't this the case? Aren't the Rockets better this season, with Paul, than last season, without him?

The season isn't even over.

[ambchang]

Playoffs Harden went 2-18 but luckily for the Rockets they have another top 10 guy to rely on now. No longer it is Harden or bust. But yeah, the Paul move didn't make them better.

Capela and Green actually led the Rockets in +/-

[ambchang]

Can’t discredit 65 wins even if a lot of teams were tanking when no other team in the entire league won even 60. If the league is tanking all over the place, then there should be at least a couple more teams that are contending with inflated 60+ win seasons. And it’s not like all the other good teams dealt with injuries and Houston was completely healthy all season. Rockets core players missed a ton of games too. Their top 6 players missed a combined total of 86 games this season.

Maybe the league was tanking hard this season. But the best record by 6 games means no other team took as much advantage of it than Houston. Deserves credit. Deserves respect.

Didn't say I don't respect them, but to say that they are better than last year because of the record is incorrect logic.