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    Do ya'll read? I'm not comparing Kwahi to Tim ...

    I'm comparing the impact each of them had on the summer from the Spurs perspective ... So yes, in terms of the Spurs organization, the two have similar impacts. If Tim had left in 2000? Spurs would have been devastated. Much like now,if Kwahi is indeed gone, spurs are washed up. Both are franchise players you build around. If Kwahi is indeed gone, then Spurs will do something they haven't done in 22? years (prob before many of you were born) and its rebuid.
    The Spurs are still a playoff team without Kawhitter. Just look at this season tbh.

    Besides, Kawhitter is always injured for the playoffs, anyways.

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    Its obvious he doesn't want to play with certain players anymore. Hope Pop understands he's gotta put some old yellers down.

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    There was some really odd stuff in this report. The fact that everyone will be there for Kawhi’s exit interview? The fact it’s a “team” decision on Kawhi getting that SuperMax? The fact that the divorce may be playing a role in offering Kawhi that much money?

    Lot’s to digest in there.

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    Here is what it'll boil down to:

    Pop: Stop being a pussy and ing play Goddamnit.

    Kawhi: Stop picking up G-League scrubs and expect me to carry their sorry asses.

    Pop: Done, will you stop being a pussy?

    Kawhi: Yes.

    Deal Done.

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    I don't get it, why would he sit out the whole year if he could have played? What does he gain by doing that?
    Leverage. Most NBA front offices would cave and give the 'group' what they want. They make fear based decisions.

    I've heard that his 'group' is afraid of another IT situation. IT had a diagnosable, actual injury that showed on scans. It was a torn labrum in his hip. He ed up by not having surgery last summer. His play was crap, which is why Boston dumped him.

    Kawhi was actually pretty effective in his limited minutes in 9 games. His PER was 26, which is elite. The only number that was really off, if you look at his per/36 numbers (damn near spot on with his career numbers), was his 3G%, and it was a pretty small sample. He ed up by shutting down and NOT playing, which is why SA will trade him. I think his 'group' thought that maybe he was showing too much, and couldn't shut down if he played much more.

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    Reported to be an "all hands on deck" meeting with Pop leading http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...on?share=other
    I don't understand why they would wait until they are out of the playoffs and going fishing to have an "all hands on deck" meeting with him Kawhi. That only feeds on the speculation we've been hearing all year long

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    Hey at least we got practice with Lasharkus last summer

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    Leverage. Most NBA front offices would cave and give the 'group' what they want. They make fear based decisions.

    I've heard that his 'group' is afraid of another IT situation. IT had a diagnosable, actual injury that showed on scans. It was a torn labrum in his hip. He ed up by not having surgery last summer. His play was crap, which is why Boston dumped him.

    Kawhi was actually pretty effective in his limited minutes in 9 games. His PER was 26, which is elite. The only number that was really off, if you look at his per/36 numbers (damn near spot on with his career numbers), was his 3G%, and it was a pretty small sample. He ed up by shutting down and NOT playing, which is why SA will trade him. I think his 'group' thought that maybe he was showing too much, and couldn't shut down if he played much more.
    What do you mean by this? Why would his 'group' not want him to continue playing if he was starting to play well? Were they worried about him getting re-injured, or are you saying they were worried about him showing that he wasn't that injured to begin with? Initially, I thought he just looked winded and didn't have his cardio, but apart from that, i thought he looked OK and would get back to dominating after getting his cardio back. After he got shut down for the final time, I guess it didn't look like his explosiveness was there, so I thought maybe he wasn't ready to come back.

    What I am asking is, do you think he was close to 100% when he was shut down for the final time or not? What do you think the Spurs think about that?
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    Pop to announce retirement
    I cannot see that happening. That is. Lot to lose in life. Basketball might be only thing to keep the man going.

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    The main thing needs to be coming up with a plan everybody agrees on in terms of getting him healthy over the summer. So come training camp you are ready to go. No injury maintenance bull . You are ready to play.

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    Really? That summer had Timmy considering leaving SA for Orlando. Can certainly argue that Kwahi's impact on this team is just as important as Tim's was. This is about the impact on the Spurs... not trying to compare Tim to Kwahi.
    His impact on the team is huge. However everything that happened this season is just so ing strange. You don’t quit on the team. You don’t disagree about an injury diagnosis with the team to the point that you are blowing off the entire season. He never had surgery. But he never played. That just doesn’t happen.

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    I'm guessing this meeting will take place during exit interviews?

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    The main thing needs to be coming up with a plan everybody agrees on in terms of getting him healthy over the summer. So come training camp you are ready to go. No injury maintenance bull . You are ready to play.
    I don't think Pop trusts his 'group' at all. I think they'll drag this recovery into next season if Pop allows it. I think it's all been bull to try to force the issue of either offering the SuperMax or trading him.

    This is what Houston dodged by jettisoning Royce White.

    I think the pivot point is who's doctors have the final say, going forward. If the 'group' says theirs, hasta la vista. You can't be held hostage by a force or forces outside of your organization.

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    I don't think Pop trusts his 'group' at all. I think they'll drag this recovery into next season if Pop allows it. I think it's all been bull to try to force the issue of either offering the SuperMax or trading him.

    This is what Houston dodged by jettisoning Royce White.

    I think the pivot point is who's doctors have the final say, going forward. If the 'group' says theirs, hasta la vista. You can't be held hostage by a force or forces outside of your organization.
    That might have been just a play for him to get out of town, but honestly every team in basketball should be afraid of that scenario. Where he says I want second opinions and he’s refusing to go along with team doctors. He did it once. Nobody should put it past him to play that card again.

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    "Don't worry" they say, "this is all being overblown" they say, "it's just people speculating" they say.

    Sorry, but you don't need an all-hands meeting to talk with a guy who is under contract and supposedly the face of the franchise.

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    That might have been just a play for him to get out of town, but honestly every team in basketball should be afraid of that scenario. Where he says I want second opinions and he’s refusing to go along with team doctors. He did it once. Nobody should put it past him to play that card again.
    EXACTLY. Like I said in another post, your organization cannot be held hostage by outside forces.

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    I'm gonna try and dig out some information as to when this meeting will take place. The article is a little inaccurate though. The front office doesn't have to convince Peter Holt.

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    They better get something definite by the end of May so they can have an idea what they're doing for the draft.

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    Kawhi not playing doesn't help him get a supermax, nor does it help him get out of SA... he could have simply asked to leave since summer... Or simply played the year and still be offered the supermax... Kawhi obviously cares about legacy, and wouldn't blow off an entire year of his prime because he is lazy... Dude isn't Sprewell... Everything from what everyone is saying points to him being injured... Down to SA doctors being in the rehab with him in NY... he could simply tell them he doesn't want them to be there

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    They better get something definite by the end of May so they can have an idea what they're doing for the draft.
    I don't think it will take that long, unless they delay the meeting for some reason. There is really only one issue: clearance, and when he has to play. They cannot let outside doctors dictate when their players play. If his 'group' doesn't agree, then, laters.

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    Kawhi not playing doesn't help him get a supermax, nor does it help him get out of SA... he could have simply asked to leave since summer... Or simply played the year and still be offered the supermax... Kawhi obviously cares about legacy, and wouldn't blow off an entire year of his prime because he is lazy... Dude isn't Sprewell... Everything from what everyone is saying points to him being injured... Down to SA doctors being in the rehab with him in NY... he could simply tell them he doesn't want them to be there
    Actually, he can't do that, and they're not there working with his doctors, they are representing team interests. If he tried to send the team docs away, the Spurs could suspend him without pay. They must be allowed access to players on the team.

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    Kawhi not playing doesn't help him get a supermax, nor does it help him get out of SA... he could have simply asked to leave since summer... Or simply played the year and still be offered the supermax... Kawhi obviously cares about legacy, and wouldn't blow off an entire year of his prime because he is lazy... Dude isn't Sprewell... Everything from what everyone is saying points to him being injured... Down to SA doctors being in the rehab with him in NY... he could simply tell them he doesn't want them to be there
    The Spurs are the ones that are paying him. YOU CAN SURE AS BET they can have their doctors or team personnel there if they want.

    I'm gonna try and dig out some information as to when this meeting will take place. The article is a little inaccurate though. The front office doesn't have to convince Peter Holt.
    Thanks. That would be great to know when it's supposed to take place.

    What's your gut feeling right now?

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    I don't think it will take that long, unless they delay the meeting for some reason. There is really only one issue: clearance, and when he has to play. They cannot let outside doctors dictate when their players play. If his 'group' doesn't agree, then, laters.
    Another issue is what teams he won't sabotage a trade to.

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    One of the most important summers in Spurs history, probably since Tim met with Orlando in 2000?
    Ah yes, Stay Tim Stay.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2000/07/1...n-antonio.html

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