The team needs better balance. Murray can be a great PG with better shooters, and scorers. The same can be said for Fathead as a SF. LMA carried the team but the team still will not win it all while playing iso ball. Forbes needs to learn to play defense. There are only about a thousand things that they need to do to fix this team.
Parker at 19 years old averaged over 17 PPG on 50% against the greatest defensive PG of all time in his 1st playoff series.
Murray, who is 2 years older, playing in his 4th series, couldn’t average 8 PPG on worse shooting and couldn’t average 2 assists.
I’m not saying he has to be HOF, but when your starting PG can’t average 2 APG or score and already has playoff experience, there’s a major problem.
We all realized that SPURS glaring weakness this season was athleticism & shooting. Those 2 key areas must get addressed. I personally think this is it for MANU( hats off to him) great career. Parker while he has his moments cannot break the defense down anymore or beak his defender down 1on 1 anymore. If those areas are address this off-season then SPURS should be in good position next season.
Seriously look at the crappy Small forward and guard play we had and we still could have had the 3-4th best record in the West.
DG - should come off the bench for a real SG who knows how to dribble or be moved via trade. Respect him and all he has done for SA, but time to go.
id be down to what White could offer from the PG position. Boy can shoot and breakdown a defense in half court set.
The problem with Murray isn't just his shot (though it will obviously improve some, virtually every big PG's tops out as below average shooter), it's the lack of a single foundational offensive attribute (speed, quickness) or skill (ball handling, finishing, passing, vision) to build off of. He might physically look and sound the part of a foundational player, but if he wasn't a Spur, I question how many would feel confident in his becoming one.
He also times poorly with the majority of the roster, specifically Aldridge. Even if he becomes the star many seem to think, Aldridge won't be at that point, leaving them in the same position they're in now.
But the only scenario where I don't think Murray is the starter, is if Leonard is traded and it's to the 76ers, with Fultz being the centerpiece of the package
Mills, Murray and Parker, will more than likely comprise 75% of the guard rotation. Murray and Parker can't play together offensively, while Mills and Parker can't play together defensively. So by default, that means Mills and Murray have to be paired together.
Murray and Parker are useless off ball and a dynamic guard would be wasted playing off ball next to inferior offensive players. In other words, they don't need to bring the latter in to supplement those two, but upgrade them (which isn't happening).
Its not unpopular. Its just stupid. A catch and shoot three pointer and a visionless pg who cant play off ball. Stick to salary cap
Murray/White back-court should work just fine
White will be a good PG he is 6’4 has great handles good vision likes to dish and able to attack rim. It’s a shame he didn’t get more playing time cause we would have gotten 50 wins for sure. I am not giving g up on Murray but may the best man win.
Agreed White is good to have because he's going to push Murray to get better. Murray better develop a jump shot or he could lose his starting job to White.
Good post.
Basically, unless there's a trade, hoping Murray improves and looking forward to White is all there is. We shall see. I have more hope in white than I do Murray at this point. His lack of shooting wouldn't bother me so much if he had other PG skills as you said. He's poor running a PNR. He's below average getting to the basket and finishing. I agree with you that if he wasn't a Spur people wouldn't bat an eye or propose trades to get him... There's things to like about him tho, so hoping for the best at this point.
Name other point guards at Murray's age that have done better... There is a very short list... And all of them were chosen higher... U are setting the bar way too high... Dude is 21...Parker was up against an old Payton... And played with Duncan... Come on now... Murray isn't playing with anyone of that caliber... AND he isn't a hall of famer... For goodness sakes Murray has been playing better than Fultz... And Fultz is the first pick! Relax
Don't get why ppl say Murray can't dribble... The guy clearly has a lot of ball handling skill... You dumb s make him seem like Danny Green... And with all the talks of his turnovers he has been averaging a very small amount after the all star break when he was made the starter...
He makes great reads and passes at times... U rarely see a point guard at his age averaging a ton of assists... And u would never see it with the type of offense we were running this year... Murray's minutes and role on offense (very low usage rate) wouldn't permit him to get a lot of assists... Combine that with the type of teammates he had that could barely hit a three, or finish at the rim, and u begin to see the issue...
Bro. You getting ahead of yourself. Murray's handles and offense for a pg in today's NBA is probably near dead last. The point is: he made strides this year and is a great defensive pg now. Even the defensive part took him a while and I think because he was getting noticed for his defense he became more confident in the offensive end as well. If he can shoot with the c ok confidence he did in game 4 consistently the we might have something. But that was just one game.
Nah bro... Every scout had Murrysville handles as one of his strengths... and when u watch the games, he is supper quick with it on his crossovers... He had issue with being shaky, but I promise u that had a lot to do with nerves... He hasn't had that issue once he became comfortable in the second half of the season... He rarely turned the ball over
Y’all ready to give up on Murray is silly. The kid is mad young. Y’all wanted to give up on Aldridge last year against these same Warriors and look the difference a year makes... The kids advantage at this point of his career is his length at position. Unfortunately for him tho, Kerr decided to go big rather than let him go off with Cook guarding him. The dude was guarded by elite defenders that were all bigger than him. Thompson, Iggy, Durant, and Draymond... That’s a bad matchup unfortunately.
But as for skill he’s not that far off. Just needs to hit the corner three, elbow two and floater consistently and the kid will be an all star. All things he flashed this season and series. His playmaking and vision is underrated and the way y’all make it sound is like he doesn’t have any. The kid became a borderline elite defender in two years which was always the first step to realizing his potential. With this kids work ethic and at ude I think it’s a bad bet that he’s incapable of improving offensively. I look forward to him at the helm next year and believe he should have the minimum of his rookie contract to see where he is.
I've seen his scouting highlights. He looked nothing like an NBA pg. He was a young Jamal Crawford. pg handles are a totally different beast imo. Have you seen the drills these guys have to do now in the offseason? Its ridiculous.
What I will say is Murray does not appear like crossing people and taking it to the hoop in the half court like TP, CP3, or other great pgs could do will happen. Murray currently runs sets that allow him to do very little dribble penetration. He kind of drifts away from penetration and gives it off to the bigs to distribute or Mills and Manu. Actually, even when he matures his game I am not sure this NBA will have seen anything like him. He is like a long skinny grasshopper. Maybe a young Shaun Livingston type player? He doesn't have quite the knack for scoring as Crawford.. .. Who do you think he can develop into?
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