I don't have a well developed take on UBI, but I'm inclined to think it's not a good idea.
More likely than UBI to increase productivity and prosperity on its face, but the devil's in the details.
It'll be interesting to see where the conversation goes -- UBI hasn't been on the map since the 1970s, and a Federal Jobs Guarantee not since the New Deal.
What's your take, SnakeBoy?
What is that federal job guarantee was picking fruit and vegetables replacing illegal immigrants? Is it still a good idea?
Creating full employment is one of the obvious motives behind a jobs guarantee. Toward that end, any sort of job at all might be suitable, including agricultural work.
I can see how a jobs guarantee might make it harder for folks who migrate to the US to find work. It's hard to see how that would be avoidable.
Last edited by Winehole23; 04-29-2018 at 08:44 AM.
This. All you have to do is look at tuition rates and watch them continue to spiral as fed assistance increases.
You would have to enact some Nixonian wage/price freezes to counter.
You have to think the biggest factor for college costs increasing is the greatly increased demand for college as the manufacturing sector in this country has been hollowed out. And then as a lot of blue collar jobs have been outsourced to temp agencies who fill them with cheap illegal labor. Then parents who grew up with cheap college trying to steer their kids there. Our secondary school system that tries to make you feel like a loser if you don't go to college, that tries to pretend everyone needs to go to college and thus should take years of English and history as preparation instead of learning useful job skills at school like you see in Germany. You have large predatory companies like McGraw-Hill just bending students over with ridiculous textbook costs (I had a thread here about them selling a textbook for $110 that MIT Press published in the same quality for $55, but McGaw-Hill had the volume license so were the only ones who could sell enough copies to supply the school bookstores at colleges using the book). You have colleges building bull like state of the art gyms and pools and stadiums out of ever increasing student fees. College costs spiraling out of control can't be boiled down just to easy access to loans.
declining public spending on universities is also a big factor
This is all true however, the steady increase of funding is a primary enabler.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/akelly/.../#54ea028e21e0
As college costs rise, buyers of the college product refuse to pay, so fewer student means higher prices
Enrollment Slide Continues, at Slower Rate
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ar-slower-rate
Wealthy foreign students pay no-aid, out-of-state tuition, costs, so are recruited, accepted more frequently
State govts, mostly red/slave Repug states, have been reducing state support for education at all levels, while shifting public school $Ms to fraudulent, for-profit scam charter schools, helps with re-segregation, too.
NPR article says they are 30M jobs that pay $55K+ that don't require a degree (maybe not even HS diploma/GED)
Trash's (oligarchy) budget cut $200B from student aid.
The higher cost of college means more often that only the top quintile families can afford college, worsening equality of opportunity, and increasing socio-economic inequality.
What trends show that America is not heading towards dystopia?
Is any ing significant aspect of America that's improving, trending upward (for the lower 80%)?
Last edited by boutons_deux; 04-29-2018 at 10:25 AM.
Finland’s Basic Income Pilot Was Never Really A Universal Basic Income
Much has been made of the end of the Nordic country’s experiment with giving some of its residents cash,
but the program was actually a conservative welfare program that
doesn’t say anything about the true UBI experiments in the works around the world.
To interpret what happened with the Finland program in this way is not only incorrect, it also does a disservice to the other universal basic income experiments currently in the works from Stocktonand Oakland, California, to Kenya to Ontario.
The whole premise of a true universal income program is that people can be eligible to receive the supplemental payment regardless of whether or not they work.
While the income threshold for receiving the benefit necessarily varies by context, generally the idea is to help people clear the poverty threshold wherever they live.
In Finland, the government only made the basic income stipend available to people who were already unemployed.
“That’s really the biggest distinctive factor compared to what a universal basic income program is,”
So it’s not that the government is axing the program–they’re just choosing not to extend it, and not to expand it for people who are employed but low-income.
The organizers of Finland’s trial have also issued a statement correcting the misconception around the ending of the trial.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40565075...l-basic-income
Sounds like when your buddys girlfriend dumps him and all his friends tell him that she was ugly and a anyway tbh.
your party. Thanks, Debbie!
Lets just disincentivize work..what could go wrong!
something 50%+ of employees are disincentivized already, don't like their job, their boss, and/or their company, but, it's money.
At least theyre doing something. Producing something of some kind of value
nothing crazy about what Bernie, Liz, etc want to do.
Dem establishment is well right of center, with ty leadership in Congress.
I think a lot of the safety net policies we currently have do more to disincentivize work than this would.
Consider that in order to qualify for certain benefits, you specifically cannot work (or earn above a certain threshold). People who collect these benefits often have to choose between that or taking a low-paying job that would cut them off of the benefits (and potentially leave them with less total earnings).
I don't know if it's the best solution, but a straight $(whatever) amount per month with no strings attached still leaves the incentive open to work for a better quality of life.
This from the guy who wants a $52,000 minimum wage
I would append this by saying the solution also has to incorporate some kind of regional/local cost-of-living adjustment. Just like the ridiculous federal $15/hr minimum wage proposals, it's asinine to assume the same dollar amounts need to be allocated for rural residents as urban residents.
Personally speaking, it must be a miserable life not liking work.
Not wanting to feel some sort of self-satisfaction from creating something, making something useful, accomplishing something...
fckn depressing...
And yep, I get to work tomorrow.
And not in Russia.
And I might get to work the weekend as well if things go as planned.
You dare disincentivize mass transit at the speed of light?
Can you imagine the butthurt from Trumpland when Mississippi residents have a lower benefit than people living in LA?
So what's stopping a family in the frozen tundra from moving to South Padre Island, Hawaii, LA, or San Francisco then?
Bennie up!
Unemployment is like 4 ing percent lol
It's like we're totally out of good ideas at this point
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