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    On the Lowe Pod they spoke about this more in depth. They said Kawhi’s team is in control and answers were not forthright when pressed to go on record like SAS doctors have.

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    Pop did coach two playoff games, and no Kawhi. Why does Pop's wife have to die for Kawhi to pull his head out of his ass and do the right thing? It's VERY easy to say after the fact that he would have been there.
    i am just stating what was written which is that kawhi keeps in contact with pop and that he would have been there for support to pop if he had been there coaching. whether that is accurate is left for people to decide. making judgments on whether or not this is a good thing or bad thing is not really my concern.

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    now if there was only an article as to what the writers of this article don't know we could have an idea of what was entirely going on; even some of the so called revelations in the article are hidden in vagueness.

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    This article fits the narrative of what the Spurs and especially Pop have been saying to the media. Why else would Pop continually reference "his group" if they didn't feel there was a lack of communication from Kawhi's camp. It had to be more than just a difference of opinion on how to treat the injury. Perhaps the motive by Kawhi's reps was to fray the relationship enough to force him out of SA and into a bigger market even if that's not what Kawhi actually wants. I still say the only option is to repair the relationship and offer the supermax.
    That's actually NOT the only option, and a terrible one if they don't agree on his health. This cannot go into next season unresolved. They also cannot get saddled with that contract if he is NOT healthy. The last year is almost $50M. If he's not playing at an All NBA level, that contract could cripple the franchise. If his uncle is truly running things, that gets ugly, too.

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    This whole thing is sad, and has "athlete broke at 40" written all over it. His agent doesn't even have agency! Any reputable caring family member would pull him, and get proper representation.
    Dude why did you requote that super long post. We know what you were referencing.

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    His uncle has absolutely no idea what he's doing and it sounds like he's letting greed get in the way of the right decisions here. He could very well completely ruin his nephews career with a couple more wrong moves. Pretty sad for Kawhi tbh, I think he genuinely wants to be in SA.

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    nothing too fresh other than some minor revelations that pop and some of the spurs are in constant touch and that kawhi would have made it to a playoff game had pop been there to coach. the one thing i, personally, got out of it is that parker needs to keep his mouth shut.
    this

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    On ESPN's, Get Up Mike Greenberg stated it's obvious that the relationship between the Spurs and Kawhi is fractured, but $219 million could easily repair the relationship. Jalen Rose was the negative saying that Kawhi could make that money up elsewhere and that he thinks Kawhi won't be playing with the Spurs next season. Woj was on there briefly, but really didn't provide anything worthy to be mentioned here.

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    Lol Jalen is such a dumb ing POS, if I needed his opinion I'd go down to a local barbershop or a local fast food joint and ask for it there tbh

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    After reading the article and listening to the Lowe / Shelburne podcast , I'm not as pissed with Kawhi as I was before. The Spurs have had so much success over the years by doing things their way and being in complete control of their players and organization. If you've ever had to deal with control-freaks in your life, you know how jilted and out-of-whack they become once you wrestle some control away from them. It's not pretty.

    I get a sense that is what happened. Once Kawhi went with a second medical opinion & rehab regimen, the Spurs FO became paranoid, angry and frustrated at their loss of control. They blame the uncle and his new representation for the lack of communication. Undoubtedly it threw them for a loop and they DID NOT handle it well.

    There is blame to go around on both sides. I hope Kawhi gets better and they reach an agreement.

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    It confirms exactly what we suspected at the end of the season. Kawhi isn't too soured on SA, but his camp is manipulating him for financial gains. They want to see him in LA/NY so they can turn his success into their brand success. Kawhi just wants to play basketball, and loves Pop apparently.


    I still think he needs to man up and start handling this situation like a man. Take control over things and do them the way he wants, not the way his uncle or sister or agent or whoever wants. But that's on him.

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    On ESPN's, Get Up Mike Greenberg stated it's obvious that the relationship between the Spurs and Kawhi is fractured, but $219 million could easily repair the relationship. Jalen Rose was the negative saying that Kawhi could make that money up elsewhere and that he thinks Kawhi won't be playing with the Spurs next season. Woj was on there briefly, but really didn't provide anything worthy to be mentioned here.
    Shocker Uncle Dennis' mouth piece going off.

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    Lol Jalen is such a dumb ing POS, if I needed his opinion I'd go down to a local barbershop or a local fast food joint and ask for it there tbh

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    That's actually NOT the only option, and a terrible one if they don't agree on his health. This cannot go into next season unresolved. They also cannot get saddled with that contract if he is NOT healthy. The last year is almost $50M. If he's not playing at an All NBA level, that contract could cripple the franchise. If his uncle is truly running things, that gets ugly, too.
    To me it's the only option. Any trade will most likely not produce a player even close to Kawhi's all world talents. The Spurs should risk it given Kawhi's history with the club and of course his talent. I'm not worried about his health and the team seems to think he's healthy enough to play. Nevertheless, the dynamic between the organization and his representation need to be resolved. I typically agree with Pop on most things when it comes to the team but his passive aggressive barbs to the media definitely didn't help the situation. If anything, it made Kawhi look bad and why would you want to alienate your franchise player. This whole incident has been handled poorly on both sides and I'm sure there are other nuggets that we still don't know. The fact is Kawhi is one of if not the best player in the league in my opinion and we should do whatever it takes to bring him back in the fold.

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    tbh kawhi's injury seems like something that will always be a problem and keep him from being his previous self

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    I'm positive that the Spurs didn't really like him going to go get a second opinion, but they did let him do that. I'm sure it threw them for a loop as it has everyone who follows the NBA. It's crazy. No one expected. We fans became frustrated so can you imagine the organization, Pop, RC, and the ownership? Of course they're frustrated and pissed. This guy is their franchise player making $19. Of course they're going to become unhappy. I would too.

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    Just sounds like what has been said all along, Kwahi's uncle has his own motives. He's ruined communication between Kwahi and the Spurs. He thinks because he's done banking work, he knows how to manage a professional career. He's got his own interests that run counter to that of Kwahi. The injury is really a second issue and feels like a smaller one ...

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    I don't need an apology from Kawhi to fans for what happened this year. I can believe that he was mishandled, that there was some blame on both sides or whatever. If it seems like his teammates forgive him, I wouldn't hold him a grudge, because the broken chemistry was really my main issue with how Leonard has been handling this so far.

    However, this does not mean I'd want him to get a DPE contract. The article pretty much suggests what I had said earlier: The Spurs believe Kawhi's injury is permanent while Kawhi's camp believes it's something he can recover from if given enough time. A Kawhi who's never more than a part-time player again is simply not worth the DPE. That was one of the worst additions to a CBA that I've seen in a long time. Very few players are worth it, and even fewer teams can afford the contract regardless of what players they have. A healthy and fully committed Kawhi is as worth it on his end, but it was always going to be a dicey proposition for the team to accommodate him. A Leonard is never reaches his former heights isn't worth that.

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    Banking work? Mother er sounds like a BOA branch manager.

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    I don't need an apology from Kawhi to fans for what happened this year. I can believe that he was mishandled, that there was some blame on both sides or whatever. If it seems like his teammates forgive him, I wouldn't hold him a grudge, because the broken chemistry was really my main issue with how Leonard has been handling this so far.

    However, this does not mean I'd want him to get a DPE contract. The article pretty much suggests what I had said earlier: The Spurs believe Kawhi's injury is permanent while Kawhi's camp believes it's something he can recover from if given enough time. A Kawhi who's never more than a part-time player again is simply not worth the DPE. That was one of the worst additions to a CBA that I've seen in a long time. Very few players are worth it, and even fewer teams can afford the contract regardless of what players they have. A healthy and fully committed Kawhi is as worth it on his end, but it was always going to be a dicey proposition for the team to accommodate him. A Leonard is never reaches his former heights isn't worth that.
    Your going to have a lot of scenarios in the future where a team is going to be in similar situation to what the Wolves were with KG for the first half of his career. A team will be able to keep their star with the super max but won't be able to build a winning team due to the supermax eating up most of the cap space.

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    Kawhi is a ing idiot, should be asking guys with more experience what to do, like Eddie Johnson, Shawn Kemp or maybe Robert Swift.

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    So the bond isn't completely severed... just frayed. Which is why we need to let the Spurs FO try their best to salvage the off-season. Their decisions need to be impeccable (especially in light of last off-season's disappointing decision-making).

    TBH the Spurs franchise needs Kawhi Leonard more than he needs them ("supermax" deal notwithstanding).
    that his bond is about is good as his tendon. Trade this prima dona so we don’t have to go through this every year. His uncle is a silent version of Ball you don’t need that extra drama let another team handle that

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    Holy , what a cluster ! Both sides have handled this terribly. Kinda feel bad for Kawhi but he should get representation from an agency whose website isn’t “under maintenance”. Maybe he and Pop will bond over loss or something.

    If Kawhi returns a nice 30pt game to start will make this all go away.

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    Dam, Uncle Dennis even freeloading off Kawhi at White Castle

    http://video.mysanantonio.com/Dennis...Story-26905558

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    Your going to have a lot of scenarios in the future where a team is going to be in similar situation to what the Wolves were with KG for the first half of his career. A team will be able to keep their star with the super max but won't be able to build a winning team due to the supermax eating up most of the cap space.
    It's worst than that, actually. The first DPE (the Rose-max) set up that scenario, but at least you knew you had a guy for his best years when he signed that deal. This second DPE (Durant-max) covers the player's ninth-14th seasons (depending on when they sign the deal, and if there's an opt-out). Even for a player that comes into the league at 19, that's still ages 27-32. A guy like Donovan Mitc would pretty much play that entire deal in his 30s. It's a horrible idea to lock guys into extensions that run into those years without first seeing how they handle their after-30 seasons. Some guys will age to where they're still great; others will decline for various reasons.

    Right now, the max has seemed like an inevitable step for any top-two player on a team. But the DPE can absolutely not be thought of that way. The Kings balked and moved Cousins, while the Wizards caved to Wall. I'm pretty sure SAC is happier with their decision.

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