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you cucks wanting to pull the trigger...
you cucks wanting to pull the trigger...
If we got Rozier then I would trade murray in a seperate deal and go with Rozier and White as your PG'sLeonard isn't coming off a major injury (though, with him every injury is a major injury amirite?
To be serious, moving a legit top 3 player for last year 3rd pick and Rozier plus the Kings pick (probably around 7th Next year) is Ainge's kind of trade. He gets the best player without giving up all that much to do so.
Th Kings and Grizzlies picks (which both would probably fall into the 7-13 range next year) on top of Rozier and Tatum and Morris ( I think he would have to be included to match up salary) is much more of a fair deal.
Spurs would have three picks next season, to go along with Tatum, Murray, and this year's pick to help the rebuild.
Boston would have a core of Hayward, Horford, Kyrie, Kawhi and Brown too.
Not sure, I kinda like picks 12 and 13th from the Clippers, like Bill Simmons suggested, more than Tatum and Kings 1rst. Kawhi was selected at 15th, Donovan Mitc at 13th, Kuzma, and the list goes on and on. Two top15 picks are better than a top10.
Tatum, doesn't completely fit the pace and space style,..., there's a lot of value in Tatum's one-on-one prowess inside the arc, - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jayson-Tatum-7249/ ©DraftExpress
It seems to me like another LaMarcus, I understand that Tatum dropped 20+ on Boston today, but trust me LA, would too.
The only player I would trade for Kawhi straight up is Kristaps Porsingis. Because he keeps us compe ive, being the ultimate stretch 5 that Spurs tried to pair LA with when they signed Pau to that ridiculous contract last summer. Him and LA would be impossible to guard. This season, we were one top 5 player away from competing for a championship. KP could be that guy next year.
Back to our subject, if we trade Kawhi for non-top5 five players, I am OK with tanking next season and getting a few more high draft picks.
Think the 76ers would be more likely than the Celtics to give up the requisite pieces.
Unless they're confident in Fultz being able to re-build his stroke and becoming a competent shooter in the off season, the awkwardness of that situation isn't going away anytime soon. Brown will not play him next to Simmons otherwise, which means he'll be limited to competing with McConnell to backing him up.
He's also the key to them becoming perennial contenders. If he can't become what they thought, they're going to be a significant piece short.
The Celtics have no such issues. Their pieces fit now and the only thing that might prevent them from become perennial contenders, is the absence of a top 5 or even 10 player (though Irving is a top 5 ISO scorer).
Fultz, Covington, 10, is interesting. 3 options: 1) Retain all 3 assets. 2) If he's available at 10, select Mikal Bridges and look to package Covington and Murray for something. 3) Look to package 10 and 18 and move up.
Last edited by TD 21; 05-01-2018 at 06:53 PM.
Agree 100%. Even on the draft pick, Mikal Bridges. That's our guy.
Gotta remember Rozier shot under 40% from the field in the regular season.. and he's already 24 this year. Has had a great playoffs at home though.
If we were to send Kawhi to Boston imo you need at least one of Tatum/Brown + Rozier + best 1st rd pick the Celts and possibly another late 1st.
Yeah Rozier sucks . If he has value, let it be as part of a three-team trade to a team like Phoenix for the MKE pick.
They're not going to trade Rozier, Brown, Tatum, and their draft pick. I prefer Tatum, Brown, and their pick only because I believe Murray and White are going to improve. Unless the Spurs send White and Mills then yeah they might send Rozier, but I seriously doubt that.
yeah, it's a stupid theory anyway, sure that stevens is not putting 7-9 3pt in a playoff gameThere is also this theory that Brad Stevens is making Tatum/Brown/Rozier look better than they are..I would be actually weary to trade a healthy Kawhi for one of these dudes to be coached by 2018 Poop
Not getting anything close to that package without us giving up more players like S&T Green, give up Murray etc
Rosier has only one more year before he’s a RFA and is already a bit older (actually about White’s age). It’s fools gold right now - you don’t want yet another 6’2” player in the fold. Especially one who shoots 40% from two. He doesn’t move the needle in a Kawhi trade. Spurs would rather have Murray and White. Brown and Tatum are far more interesting pieces given how the league is trending.
To the guy who said they’d take the 12th and 13th picks over a potential top 5 Sacramento pick plus Tatum - that’s nuts. You pray that guys like Tatum fall to you in that range. The Clippers don’t have the assets to make a deal work - does Harris + 12 + 13 do it? I do agree that first round picks on rookie deals are super valuable, but you have to draft well.
The Lakers package is trash. The Spurs won’t touch Ball, and the only other positive trade chip is Ingram.
If the Spurs in fact are going to trade Kawhi, you have to hope to spring Philly and Boston into a bidding war. By the way, a trade with the Spurs almost certainly means Covington and Fultz are unloaded and if the prize is Lebron coming to Philly and he demands you bring in Kawhi, you move anyone other than Simmons and Embiid.
Rozier's stock is going up because of how he's been playing lately, however, I'm still not trading Kawhi to Boston unless it's for Brown, Tatum, and their pick.
Stop with the Rozier bull already. I do NOT want to be the team that has to pay his next deal.
Spurs need to insist on Tatum, Brown, and Kings pick, and have Ainge propose an alternative (e.g., Player and two picks).
I have a feeling it’s going to be Philly Kiwi knows the coach and they have a ton of good players and draft picks. I actually think we could move Kawhi and Mills they need outside shooters and Mills would be perfect coming off the bench
I agree actually— i also see Philly as a Danny free agent destination by the way.
Deal around Fultz (who they have to move with Simmons, right?) + Saric + 10 + Convington’s salary seems appealing. Maybe we get a 2nd (they own 38, 39 and 56) or Bolden/AP for Kyle.
Starting:
Fultz
Convington
[FA/pick]
Saric
LMA
Then I’d shop 18 + Murray to seeing i can move up.
Last edited by CGD; 05-01-2018 at 08:07 PM.
Outside of Sairic and there pick there is no one on their roster I'd move Kawhi for.
Where did this Tatum + Brown+ Kings pick nonsense get started? I just can't see Boston moving both of them in a Kawhi trade.
The Memphis and Kings picks plus Tatum is probably more likely, considering that Boston know what they have in Brown and the two likely lottery picks are obviously unknown.
Saric, Covington, Fultz, 10 pick and maybe Parsecniks is a very good offer tbh.
It started before the playoffs when they weren’t really known outside of BOS. I think Tatum and those two picks would be good.
Agree, plus we can move on from Patty. Then You have flexibility to package Murray and 18 for something.
I would rather get Tatum and Brown. Rozier is good but PG are dime a dozen in the league and not really a game changer. Look, Warriors have top 3 PG and won without him, OKC have a top 3 PG and can't win with him.
Kerr even said as great as Curry is Durant is more important, size matters.
"There's a different level of impact that's actually possible for Steph and for KD," Kerr explained. "Steph is my size, he's literally exactly my size. So what he's capable of is all based on his amazing skill.
"In the playoffs especially, when you're having to protect the rim and do so many different things, there has to be a level of physicality that factors in when you're having these kind of conversations about who is the best player in the league.
"And that's why LeBron is there, that's why Kawhi (Leonard) is there, that's why KD is there. That combination of skill and physical sheer force."
Again I would rather have the size of Tatum and Brown vs any PG.
I would kill for Tatum and Brown if Kawhi has to be moved. That would be fantastic.
spurfan bubble. that package has 0 percent chance of ever happening
I would probably agree as things currently stand. If Kawhi signs some type of extension though knowing it will be for him to be traded?spurfan bubble. that package has 0 percent chance of ever happening
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