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    I think DPG is referring to Michael Wright's information, that the Spurs gave up all control of Kawhi's rehab as of August 8th, and that the current doctor (the one in NYC) is doctor #3. So from August 8th, medical opinion/clearance/etc. have been coming from Kawh's doctor(s) (At least, that's what I got out of the interview.)
    thanks for clearing that up toki9

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    His condition is related to a series of contusions from two years ago? What in the world is that ? You recover from that . How fragile is this guy? So his quad hurts because somebody kneed him hard in the quad from two years ago? Are they serious?

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    Ship his ass out asap

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    yea... there is a huge difference between an irreversible degenerative chronic injury and one that can be rehabbed and come back from at %

    So far the scales are tilting towards chronic and degenerative.

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    Where on Earth did you come up with that? He's been CLEARED TO PLAY by the Spurs.
    Uhhhh yeah he’s been cleared...but he’s got tendonopathy which is chronic injury with no way of truly healing..something he’ll have to deal with.

    If that’s true..is he damaged goods? Worth the max? I dunno. You tell me

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    Dennis man, what makes you think you're the millionaire talent when you're piggybacking off your nephew, son?

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    Uhhhh yeah he’s been cleared...but he’s got tendonopathy which is chronic injury with no way of truly healing..something he’ll have to deal with.

    If that’s true..is he damaged goods? Worth the max? I dunno. You tell me
    Leonards group is saying it's the muscle, not the tendon. Spurs were the ones who diagnosed the tendinopathy -- but still maintained he was cleared to play.

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    Uhhhh yeah he’s been cleared...but he’s got tendonopathy which is chronic injury with no way of truly healing..something he’ll have to deal with.

    If that’s true..is he damaged goods? Worth the max? I dunno. You tell me
    He's not worth the MAX, because his group wants him elsewhere. If he's offered the SuperMax, and signs it, look for more mysterious medical issues to manifest. If we have to trade him, don't reward him in the process.

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    Leonards group is saying it's the muscle, not the tendon. Spurs were the ones who diagnosed the tendinopathy -- but still maintained he was cleared to play.
    I know that’s what I said in my previous post.

    Still trying to figure out who was right and who was wrong cause that’s the 219M question...

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    Where on Earth did you come up with that? He's been CLEARED TO PLAY by the Spurs.
    So? Being cleared to play isn't a bill of clean health. If Kawhi has a chronic injury that will not improve with rest, then there's no point in sitting him out. Tim was injured most of his career, but the team still cleared him.

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    as usual, some ST posters coming to their own medical conclusions. there are so many complex variables surrounding tendinophathy and so many specific and unique cir stances to each patient, that making conclusions about the long-term prospects of leonard, health-wise, is just guessing.

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    as usual, some ST posters coming to their own medical conclusions. there are so many complex variables surrounding tendinophathy and so many specific and unique cir stances to each patient, that making conclusions about the long-term prospects of leonard, health-wise, is just guessing.
    Spurs shouldn't offer the super max. Especially if they are left on the dark by Kawhis Uncle/ "camp" in regards to his injury ( they've been in 100% control of Kawhi since August 8th)..

    Spurs can still try to mend the relationship without the super max.

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    Spurs shouldn't offer the super max. Especially if they are left on the dark by Kawhis Uncle/ "camp" in regards to his injury ( they've been in 100% control of Kawhi since August 8th)..

    Spurs can still try to mend the relationship without the super max.
    Every indication is that is a non-starter. Less than the SuperMax is an exit strategy for his 'group'. If they won't SM him, they need to trade him this summer, preferably at the draft so we know what we're getting.

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    Every indication is that is a non-starter. Less than the SuperMax is an exit strategy for his 'group'. If they won't SM him, they need to trade him this summer, preferably at the draft so we know what we're getting.
    That process should have or could have already started. And if Kawhi & his group use it as an out, then he doesn't want to be here.

    Spurs would be dumb to wait til June to figure it out. I'm pretty sure they already have a good grasp on where Kawhis group stands & what they should do next -- even if the public and media think it hasn't been addressed yet.

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    Spurs shouldn't offer the super max. Especially if they are left on the dark by Kawhis Uncle/ "camp" in regards to his injury ( they've been in 100% control of Kawhi since August 8th)..

    Spurs can still try to mend the relationship without the super max.
    we don't know what the spurs medical opinion is or to what extent they are "in the dark" or if what they may not know to this point has any impact on any long-term considerations. if the spurs don't offer the super-max, it wouldn't be far-fetched to infer that it's because of the spurs long term prognosis for leonard lacks confidence. if the spurs do offer the max, one could reasonably infer the opposite.

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    Kawhi's uncle needs to go back to Compton and build a home there.

    Probably get involved in the drug game while he's there.
    Compton has actually become a pretty hot housing market allegedly with how ridiculous home prices are in LA. Just like Furious was telling Rick and Tre 27 years ago.

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    Compton has actually become a pretty hot housing market allegedly with how ridiculous home prices are in LA. Just like Furious was telling Rick and Tre 27 years ago.
    I remember watching that movie as a kid on TV and that scene always stood out to me. It's crazy how it's even more true today with all the gentrification that is going across the country.

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    we don't know what the spurs medical opinion is or to what extent they are "in the dark" or if what they may not know to this point has any impact on any long-term considerations. if the spurs don't offer the super-max, it wouldn't be far-fetched to infer that it's because of the spurs long term prognosis for leonard lacks confidence. if the spurs do offer the max, one could reasonably infer the opposite.
    But also not necessarily accurate, either. If they sense that the 'group' wants him out of here, even if he were to get MAXed, they won't reward him, and it will have nothing to do with his health.

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    Only Kawhi knows how he feels. Being ready and able to play requires the doctor's and the player's clearance. If Kawhi feels he's injured then we have to assume that he is legitimately hurt. However, the question still remains if his doctors can get him back to full health without whatever discomfort he is feeling. If not, you can't really say the Spurs doctors had a wrong since you have 2 groups that weren't able to resolve it. It could be as some have suggested a degenerative condition that he will have to manage for this entire career.

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    That process should have or could have already started. And if Kawhi & his group use it as an out, then he doesn't want to be here.

    Spurs would be dumb to wait til June to figure it out. I'm pretty sure they already have a good grasp on where Kawhis group stands & what they should do next -- even if the public and media think it hasn't been addressed yet.
    I agree, and they may already be accepting feelers on a trade. My guess is that they're not hanging up on ANYONE, these days.

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    Only Kawhi knows how he feels. Being ready and able to play requires the doctor's and the player's clearance. If Kawhi feels he's injured then we have to assume that he is legitimately hurt. However, the question still remains if his doctors can get him back to full health without whatever discomfort he is feeling. If not, you can't really say the Spurs doctors had a wrong since you have 2 groups that weren't able to resolve it. It could be as some have suggested a degenerative condition that he will have to manage for this entire career.
    Question is if he is malingering to get out of playing and force his way out ...

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    But also not necessarily accurate, either. If they sense that the 'group' wants him out of here, even if he were to get MAXed, they won't reward him, and it will have nothing to do with his health.
    well, yes, that is why i indicated that it would be an inference but at that point it wouldn't be a far-fetched inference. in the case of the latter, i think it would be a more reasonable inference to make. but clearly one of the scenarios, in the case of coming in under the max, would be that it was due to Leonard's group.

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    From the article:

    His agent, Mitch Frankel, and uncle, Dennis Robertson, began pressing the Spurs to consult outside opinions.

    Last fall, Dr. Keith Pyne, the managing partner of SportsLab NYC, who is affiliated with the Washington Nationals and New York Islanders, began consulting on the case.
    The Washington Nationals?

    They shut down the best young pitcher in baseball, Stephen Strasburg, when he was uninjured and pitching very well.

    When? -- literally days before the Nats were to enter the postseason with the best record in baseball (in 2012).

    Why? Because they were afraid if he continued to pitch the Nats into the World Series he might get injured.

    As a result the Washington Nationals, to this day, have never won the World Series.

    Enjoy the ride, Spurs fans.

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    Compton has actually become a pretty hot housing market allegedly with how ridiculous home prices are in LA. Just like Furious was telling Rick and Tre 27 years ago.
    It was just a billboard.

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    Spurs shouldn't offer the super max. Especially if they are left on the dark by Kawhis Uncle/ "camp" in regards to his injury ( they've been in 100% control of Kawhi since August 8th)..

    Spurs can still try to mend the relationship without the super max.
    I don't see how they could and even if they could, it's too risky. Not only would he more than likely leave in free agency next off season, but the organization would be under immense pressure and stress throughout the season and the awkward atmosphere from last season would increase tenfold.

    One way or another, this needs to be settled as soon as possible. The entire franchise is hanging in the balance.

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