Lowe: Celtics starting point for Leonard likely Tatum and Kings 1st

[cjw]

Yeah but they traded for Kyrie, who's injury history is worse than both Kawhi and IT. They value talent and are willing to take risks.

Trading Tatum and two of their five 1st rounders (between this draft and next draft) is a medium risk, high reward for the Celtics.

Not to mention IT is a midget and unplayable defensively in a real series.

[Play Boban]

Not to mention IT is a midget and unplayable defensively in a real series.

Yeah, but he’s still taller than the average resident of San Antonio.

[weebo]

The entire 76's & C's starting rosters for KL.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd probably do the same (pending the remainder of each package), but then we don't have access to what they could glean, in terms of what really happened with Fultz and the likelihood of it being a blip in his career.




Considering the magnitude of this, Mills' contract wouldn't influence them into taking what they deem an inferior package. Besides, with the team more than likely skewing younger, they'd probably feel his intangibles would be even more important than they already believe.

Brown, Tatum,Ingram, Kuz all have a higher overall ceiling than Fultz ( on both ends) imo.

[DPG21920]

I would not trade for Fultz. Not saying he doesn't have the potential to be great, but you are taking a huge risk if you trade for him. You take the sure thing in Tatum or Brown.

Depends on how this all transpires. SA may have to take a Paul George package and hope for the best. Not ideal, but might be what it comes down to.

I want PHX to get desperate and give up Jackson + #1 pick (most likely)

[DPG21920]

Also not that it matters in the context of getting the player SA wants (meaning this variable doesn’t change things if SA like Tatum better than Fultz) but PHI is so much easier to deal with. Not just becaue of the relationship but PHI having so much cap space means they can send back much less salary and with Kawhi going out possibly plus Danny/Rudy opting out SA could have immediate cap space as well in that type of deal.

Just an added bonus of a PHI deal.

[gambit1990]

i know kawhi got cleared to play during the season by the spurs... did they ever change his status after that?

i worry he could come back next year... and then miss time again for the same reason.

if the spurs trade him they should send him east.

healthy kawhi would be the best player in the league over the next few years ...

[DPG21920]

i know kawhi got cleared to play during the season by the spurs... did they ever change his status after that?

i worry he could come back next year... and then miss time again for the same reason.

if the spurs trade him they should send him east.

healthy kawhi would be the best player in the league over the next few years ...

He was cleared and stayed cleared by the Spurs team. He was not cleared by his own doctors that had been apparently in control of the rehab process for 8 months now.

[cd021]

It's a solid offer but, if Boston did that they'd be paying over 120M for 4 players with kawhi and kyrie's extensions. 1 year later brown goes on for a new contract. You're talking 140M for 5 players if they let everybody else walk and fill it out with all minimum contracts. I don't see them doing that. I don't think we would take horford either. I think Hayward + Tatum or Brown would be the centerpiece of their offer.

I do like the Philly scenario you mentioned as well. I probably like it better actually. Fultz is a risk but having saric and the 10th pick mitigates it.

No chance that they would offer up Hayward. they wooed him away from Utah and then 5 minutes into his Boston career he has the worst injury if his career, not to mention the Brad Stevens connection.

I agree that. Spurs would have little interest in Horford, mostly because of his massive $58 million remaining on his deal (LA and Horford would combine to make $56 million during the 19-20 season, on top of Murray's extension)

The best option would be to find a third team for Horford but then they have a gaping hole at PF/C so that doesn't make sense either.

[Robz4000]

No chance that they would offer up Hayward. they wooed him away from Utah and then 5 minutes into his Boston career he has the worst injury if his career, not to mention the Brad Stevens connection.

I agree that. Spurs would have little interest in Horford, mostly because of his massive $58 million remaining on his deal (LA and Horford would combine to make $56 million during the 19-20 season, on top of Murray's extension)

The best option would be to find a third team for Horford but then they have a gaping hole at PF/C so that doesn't make sense either.

Don't count out Ainge doing that. IT played on one leg throughout the postseason last year (and supposedly had an injury before that one) and was beloved by the Boston fanbase, yet Ainge sent him out without a second thought. Hayward has no such ties with the city nor has any court chemistry with the actual team. Actually wouldn't be shocked if he'd rather trade him than Brown or Tatum.

[TD 21]

Brown, Tatum,Ingram, Kuz all have a higher overall ceiling than Fultz ( on both ends) imo.

I'm willing to listen to an argument for Tatum and Brown, but not Ingram and definitely not Kuzma (played his rookie season at 22).

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm willing to listen to an argument for Tatum and Brown, but not Ingram and definitely not Kuzma (played his rookie season at 22).

Wings with length that can defend 3-4 positions, can shoot, and put the ball in the basket in a mul ude of ways are the most valuable type of players in the NBA.

Unless you think Fultz will have Curry, Kyrie, Westbrook type of ability and impact, I wouldn't take Fultz over any of those 4 guys. I don't see him projecting to have THAT type of game.

The Spurs need more quality length on the perimeter to pair w Murray/White.They don't need to.overlap their best assets at the combo guard imo.

[toki9]

I want PHX to get desperate and give up Jackson + #1 pick (most likely)

Maybe Sarver would jump at the chance of finally taking advantage of the Spurs? But, yeah, PHI might be the most practical partner in all this (maybe the Colangelos would jump at the chance of finally taking advantage of the Spurs?) given Brett Brown connection and the doctor connection. This whole thing is just a big mess. There doesn't seem to be many (any?) good options for the Spurs; they're in a bad spot.

[dbestpro]

Most likely scenario is teams will try to low ball SA. LA will think they will get him anyway so why not wait. SA will hold onto him until he walks. The front office believes they created Kawhi, and he would not be the player he is without them. They believe they can do the same with someone else, and that will be that.

[SpursforSix]

Most likely scenario is teams will try to low ball SA. LA will think they will get him anyway so why not wait. SA will hold onto him until he walks. The front office believes they created Kawhi, and he would not be the player he is without them. They believe they can do the same with someone else, and that will be that.

I don't think teams will low ball SA. There should be enough bidders that will keep the price high for KL.

[CGD]

I don't think teams will low ball SA. There should be enough bidders that will keep the price high for KL.

I can see LAL and BOS trying to lowball, but i can see LAC being agressive. That’s all you need for a bidding war to start.

[SpursforSix]

I can see LAL and BOS trying to lowball, but i can see LAC being agressive. That’s all you need for a bidding war to start.

Yep. I just hope Leonard (or his uncle) sabotages the process with comments.

[CGD]

I’m starting to like idea of Philly over over Boston. Ainge is going to do what he always does and overvalue his assets, especially after this run. Let’s just pouch Brown in a few years when they have a massive payroll and are going to be in a pinch :-)

Package around:

Faultz+Saric+10 >
Brown + Kings Pick next year

Teams can also swap Covington and Mills if so desired.

[exstatic]

Most likely scenario is teams will try to low ball SA. LA will think they will get him anyway so why not wait. SA will hold onto him until he walks. The front office believes they created Kawhi, and he would not be the player he is without them. They believe they can do the same with someone else, and that will be that.

What is 'NO' for $500 Alex? Are you ing crazy? You absolutely do NOT let him ing walk for nothing.

[exstatic]

I can see LAL and BOS trying to lowball, but i can see LAC being agressive. That’s all you need for a bidding war to start.

Exactly. I've seen SO many posts about how a bunch of teams will low ball us. Folks, when a bunch of en ies are involved in trying to acquire something, someone ALWAYS geeks, and starts the bidding war.

[BillMc]

Any Philly offer must include Simmons or it ain't worth it.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

What is 'NO' for $500 Alex? Are you ing crazy? You absolutely do NOT let him ing walk for nothing.

seriously

[DPG21920]

Any Philly offer must include Simmons or it ain't worth it.

That is not happening. Fultz deal is like the Dipo deal. Looks meh now but maybe has potential. Agree it’s not that appealing but PHI can eat money too which helps.

[szkorhetz]

Any Philly offer must include Simmons or it ain't worth it.

@ Philly sending us Simmons for this quitter.

[r0drig0lac]

saric + covington + bolden + pick >>>> fultz + covington + pick