Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj

[ceds]

Don't care if Kawhi doesn't resign. If he resigns that's great but if he doesn't for me it's not the end of the world. I'm in my 30's and got to see the Spurs win 5 les in my lifetime. I'm good if the Spurs never contend again granted I hope that's not the case.

yeah we were all lucky to witness the TD era & 5 rings but we still have a top 3 player that's only 26 years old.

We need to roll the dice on him

[ElNono]

I'm happy that my image of Unc as a money-hungry POS wasn't a mischaracterization tbh

Honestly, this article just makes me feel bad for Kawhi tbh. For whatever reason (dad's death, personality, not too bright, etc), he seems to be reliant on those around him to dictate his life. Unfortunately, those around him don't see to be the most professional, competent, or free of ulterior motive.

Not saying the Spurs are free of any blame but he needs to man up and realize that this is his life, his career, and his future. He needs to do what's best for him and not the leeches around him tbh......

Good article, it confirms what many of us have been saying for months, Kawhi isn't calling the shots, it's his uncle and agent..Kawhi doesn't have that type of personality, he isn't LeBron or Chris Paul, he doesn't run his own ..

It's easy to say "Kawhi should get real representation" or "Kawhi should get his uncle to back off", but that's typically something you hear from white people who don't understand the hood dynamic of bringing your mans and family along for the ride..

Tough situation for the Spurs, looks almost exactly like the Derrick Rose saga(uncle rather than brother, in this case)..Kawhi has a mental disability, it wouldn't be that difficult for family or friends to manipulate him, it's very typical in pro sports..

I do feel bad for Pop, though, very difficult year for him..beginning with Aldridge asking for a trade, to this terrible season with the superstar not playing all year, obviously his wife passing away, and now the possibility that Donald Trump may win a Nobel Peace Prize..wow, money is nice, but that's a stressful year for a 70-year old..

[ElNono]

Somebody PM me when Uncle decides to have a press conference and talk for Kawhi, tbh...

[nym]

"The treatment course for each diagnosis (a muscle issue vs. a tendon issue) is different, which has become another source of tension in the relationship."

Because SA doctors' misdiagnosed it and didn't admit he had other type of injury? I guess it's hard to work with doctors that want to use different treatments for a different injury.

If this is true, I get Kawhi's doctors' mistrust in team's doctors.

People (not just you YGWHI) keep saying the Spurs medical staff misdiagnosed the injury. But could it be, since the two sides disagree with whether it's a degenerative disease or not, that Kawhi´s camp simply refuses to believe that at 27-ish he has a condition that could completely derail his career and possibly (worst case scenario) end it before it fully flourishes? I mean they could be running with this medical teams's opinion because it goes against the degenerative diagnosis and to something that they feel could be cured with intense rehab and rest.

Not sure if someone else has said this because it´s hard keeping up with all the posts. But I really do wonder if Kawhi's camp is lashing out irrationally at the Spurs because they don´t wantto face the possibility of him having a very very serious condition.

[SAGirl]

I don't see how they could and even if they could, it's too risky. Not only would he more than likely leave in free agency next off season, but the organization would be under immense pressure and stress throughout the season and the awkward atmosphere from last season would increase tenfold.

One way or another, this needs to be settled as soon as possible. The entire franchise is hanging in the balance.

True. Frankly I am tired, burned out, of this saga. It took all year, was immensely draining on everyone and got guys involved in dramas getting asked about him. I don’t think he gets traded but at this point I don’t care.

For me the supermax isn’t even about the money. I know it’s a huge amount of meney and will affect future roster building, but it’s not even about that. He didn’t play almost an entire season. I am not assured in any way this isn’t happening again. I don’t know how you can build around that. His career might be, maybe not over, but derailed. Hopefully not, but I am not reassured by anything that has gone on or said about that injury up to this point.

I think other GMs will have the same concerns and so you aren't getting a package for an MVP player. It’s tough.

[Ginobilly]

People (not just you YGWHI) keep saying the Spurs medical staff misdiagnosed the injury. But could it be, since the two sides disagree with whether it's a degenerative disease or not, that Kawhi´s camp simply refuses to believe that at 27-ish he has a condition that could completely derail his career and possibly (worst case scenario) end it before it fully flourishes? I mean they could be running with this medical teams's opinion because it goes against the degenerative diagnosis and to something that they feel could be cured with intense rehab and rest.

Not sure if someone else has said this because it´s hard keeping up with all the posts. But I really do wonder if Kawhi's camp is lashing out irrationally at the Spurs because they don´t wantto face the possibility of him having a very very serious condition.

Kawhi needs to heal the san anto south way if that's the case. Kawhi needs to go to the south side, find himself an indian healer/curandera, massage that tendon right, take 1 or 2 yrs off, eat tacos/tortas/menudo/caldo de pollo, smoke/vape dro, take it easy on working out and just jog and do the elyptical machine. He should be good to go after the vato loco treatment.

[TheDoctor]

Kawhi needs to heal the san anto south way if that's the case. Kawhi needs to go to the south side, find himself an indian healer/curandera, massage that tendon right, take 1 or 2 yrs off, eat tacos/tortas/menudo/caldo de pollo, smoke/vape dro, take it easy on working out and just jog and do the elyptical machine. He should be good to go after the vato loco treatment.

Man now I want to do that!

Seems like a dope mind-expanding life experience Damn, sounds wicked tbh

[rjv]

Kawhi needs to heal the san anto south way if that's the case. Kawhi needs to go to the south side, find himself an indian healer/curandera, massage that tendon right, take 1 or 2 yrs off, eat tacos/tortas/menudo/caldo de pollo, smoke/vape dro, take it easy on working out and just jog and do the elyptical machine. He should be good to go after the vato loco treatment.

you forgot about putting some Vicks on his quad.

[Russ]

But could it be, . . . that Kawhi´s camp simply refuses to believe that at 27-ish he has a condition that could completely derail his career and possibly (worst case scenario) end it before it fully flourishes?

People want to believe. Doctors in New York (and Mexico) count on it.

[rjv]

kawhi can afford the nice big decorated prayer candles too

if this turns into an atheist v. believers thread, we would have the quintessential ST thread of all time.

[baseline bum]

if this turns into an atheist v. believers thread, we would have the quintessential ST thread of all time.

... y luego dije "no soy creyente"

[Ginobilly]

you forgot about putting some Vicks on his quad.

Some healers are using peyote/weed infused massaging balms. Peyote might be a way to repair ed up "incojido" muscle/tendon and nerves. Kawhi's problem might be that his muscle/tendon is tired after pushing it since he was in his teens. Sometimes the body needs time to heal. Esp after pushing it hard for soo many years like kawhi has. Or maybe he needs lebrons ped doctor to pay him a visit.

[rjv]

Some healers are using peyote/weed infused massaging balms. Peyote might be a way to repair ed up "incojido" muscle/tendon and nerves. Kawhi's problem might be that his muscle/tendon is tired after pushing it since he was in his teens. Sometimes the body needs time to heal. Esp after pushing it hard for soo many years like kawhi has. Or maybe he needs lebrons ped doctor to pay him a visit.

with tendinopathy, sometimes the tissue forms nerve "sprouts" and this creates an oversensitivity to pain. there is hypercellular activity around the region that creates increased pain signaling. of course, that's if he in fact does have tendinopathy, which would make more sense. if one believes the NY doctors, the ossification is the source of the pain, but i don't know how tissue really "ossifies". maybe there is calcium build up there. , i'd try a curandero and it would be puro san antonio to have one on staff.

[lmbebo]

with tendinopathy, sometimes the tissue forms nerve "sprouts" and this creates an oversensitivity to pain. there is hypercellular activity around the region that creates increased pain signaling. of course, that's if he in fact does have tendinopathy, which would make more sense. if one believes the NY doctors, the ossification is the source of the pain, but i don't know how tissue really "ossifies". maybe there is calcium build up there. , i'd try a curandero and it would be puro san antonio to have one on staff.

Its called Heterotopic ossification. See it commonly with joint replacements and major trauma.

[YGWHI]

The feeling back in January was that the Spurs doctors felt Kawhi was clear to play. Meaning they didn't think there was an injury. However, his uncle and him wanted to see different doctors because "apparently" he still felt pain. That is why some felt this was more of a mental issue or a personal issue.

Spurs' doctors thought that wasn't even an injury...And now, all we know there is one. A physical injury.

Team's doctors didn't believe him when he said his quad wasn't fine, didn't believe him when he said he was feeling pain...Do you think the player should trust in team-doctors who didn't even believe he was injured?

[exstatic]

Spurs' doctors thought that wasn't even an injury...And now, all we know there is one. A physical injury.

Team's doctors didn't believe him when he said his quad wasn't fine, didn't believe him when he said he was feeling pain...Do you think the player should trust in team-doctors who didn't even believe he was injured?

With the injury that his 'group' says he has, blood should show on an MRI. Nothing did.

[YGWHI]

People (not just you YGWHI) keep saying the Spurs medical staff misdiagnosed the injury.

The feeling back in January was that the Spurs doctors felt Kawhi was clear to play. Meaning they didn't think there was an injury. However, his uncle and him wanted to see different doctors because "apparently" he still felt pain. That is why some felt this was more of a mental issue or a personal issue.

Spurs' doctors thought he wasn't even injured, they didn't believe him when he said he was feeling pain...

Can you imagine Kawhi lying about that? A player that only loves to play basketball in his life?

Spurs doctors did more than mishandling his injury, they didn't believe in their patient.

We already know he has a physical injury, a quad injury.

Other thing we know...this issue with Spurs doctors isn't new.

This isn't the first time that Kawhi has to work with outside doctors to heal an injury.

He did it in 2015 to heal his hand.

I guess he was tired of Spurs' doctors not believing him, he got tired of hearing "our doctors have never seen an injury like this years",

[YGWHI]

With the injury that his 'group' says he has, blood should show on an MRI. Nothing did.

1-His NYC doctors who have great rep in sports world are part of that "group".
2-Even X-Ray show calcifications
3-You would find it if you know what type of injury you're looking for...
Spurs' doctors never thought there was other injury, they didn't even looking for other thing more than thendionopathy for overuse.

[Russ]

Spurs' doctors thought he wasn't even injured, they didn't believe him when he said he was feeling pain...

Can you imagine Kawhi lying about that? A player that only loves to play basketball in his life?

Spurs doctors did more than mishandling his injury, they didn't believe in their patient.

We already know he has a physical injury, a quad injury.

Other thing we know...this issue with Spurs doctors isn't new.

This isn't the first time that Kawhi has to work with outside doctors to heal an injury.

He did it in 2015 to heal his hand.

I guess he was tired of Spurs' doctors not believing him, he got tired of hearing "our doctors have never seen an injury like this years",

Is your contempt reserved only for the "Spurs' doctors" or does it extend to the Spurs team/organization in general?

[YGWHI]

Is your contempt reserved only for the "Spurs' doctors" or does it extend to the Spurs team/organization in general?

I'm a Spurs' fan. The organization is the best in sports world. But his doctors aren't that infallible like other fans want to believe.

[Russ]

I'm a Spurs' fan. The organization is the best in sports world. But his doctors aren't that infallible like other fans want to believe.

Okay, I'm reassured (somewhat).

[lmbebo]

1-His NYC doctors who have great rep in sports world are part of that "group".
2-Even X-Ray show calcifications
3-You would find it if you know what type of injury you're looking for...
Spurs' doctors never thought there was other injury, they didn't even looking for other thing more than thendionopathy for overuse.

Calcification is harder to appreciate on MRI. Xray will only show it if its large. CT best in this respect. MRI would better show hemorrhagic products.

[rjv]

Calcification is harder to appreciate on MRI. Xray will only show it if its large. CT best in this respect. MRI would better show hemorrhagic products.

....or weighted imaging.

[lmbebo]

....or weighted imaging.

Gradient and susceptibility weighted imaging (SWI) can.

[MoSpur02]

Is your contempt reserved only for the "Spurs' doctors" or does it extend to the Spurs team/organization in general?

His contempt is for anyone who doesn't blame the Spurs for all this crap.